Template:Did you know nominations/Elayne Harrington
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by DimensionalFusion talk 12:36, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
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Elayne Harrington
... that Irish rapper Temper-Mental MissElayneous was arrested for lèse-majesté with a bodhrán?
- Source: Feehan, Conor (29 August 2013). "Riot-arrest rapper fronts Guinness ad". Irish Independent. Retrieved 23 August 2024.
alt1 ... that when Temper-Mental MissElayneous was a child, she followed her mother to union meetings?- Source:O’Connor, Ruth. "Inspiring women, inspiring stories" (PDF). National Women's Council of Ireland. pp. 7–8. Retrieved 23 August 2024.
- alt2 ... that poet and rapper Elayne Harrington carried all her property in her bodhrán case when homeless in Dublin?
- Source:Sheridan, Colette (17 March 2021). "'It takes years to recover from homelessness': Elayne Harrington on getting her art career on track". Irish Examiner. Retrieved 23 August 2024.
- Reviewed:
- Comment: I am the subject of this article (not the author), and it was suggested to me that I should try for DYK.
Created by Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Elayne Adamczyk Harrington (talk) 16:49, 30 August 2024 (UTC).
- Comment. The proposed "hook" is not stated in the body and is not supported by either of the proposed references. Where does "arrested for lèse-majesté" ("defamation against the dignity of a ruling head of state"?) come from? The linked Evening Herald article says "arrested for breach of the peace and failure to comply with gardai". Not the offence we are listing here. And the linked Irish Independent (entertainment section) article also says "charged with threatening and abusive behaviour and failing to comply with gardai". Per WP:DYKRULES and WP:DYKHFC, the facts of the hook need to appear in the article (they don't), and the facts of the hook need to be supported by reliable references (they aren't). As it stands, the proposed hook text fails verification and doesn't meet DYK criteria. (Update: I can find no evidence that anyone [including the subject] has ever been arrested in Ireland for "lèse-majesté". There is nothing to indicate that any such offence or law is "on the books" in Ireland.) Guliolopez (talk) 11:46, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Correct, Ireland does not have "lèse-majesté" laws afaik. Being a republic and all that. It is intended to be humorous/non-literal, alluding to "arrested following protests during the Queen's visit in 2012." That is in the article. If it doesn't work, it doesn't work. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:43, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
Hi. While I understand the humour aspect. And I know myself to be more of a pedant than most. But I'd suggest that "not true" is more accurate than "not literal". Per the guideline, hooks should (indeed) be interesting. But "interesting" shouldn't be prioritised to the extent that "accurate" is ignored. As you note, I don't think the proposed hook "works". Because it's not true or accurate. (We haven't exaggerated the facts - so much as we've changed them.) To the extent that, personally, I don't think that hook should be promoted to the homepage. (propose "... arrested for lèse-majesté with a bodhránat a protest against Elizabeth II's 2011 state visit to Ireland" as alternative hook.) Guliolopez (talk) 14:31, 31 August 2024 (UTC)- Fair enough, alt will come. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:56, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Correct, Ireland does not have "lèse-majesté" laws afaik. Being a republic and all that. It is intended to be humorous/non-literal, alluding to "arrested following protests during the Queen's visit in 2012." That is in the article. If it doesn't work, it doesn't work. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:43, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. While the proposed alt1 is better than the originally proposed hook, it is not ideal (as "followed" implies a sense of wile that isn't in the source - which gives "attended with"). If it were me, I think a hook which focused on the subject's experience with homelessness (and attempts to challenge perceptions of homelessness and destigmatise the issue) would make for a more interesting hook. And is a much more topical issue. In Ireland at least. IMO anyway. Guliolopez (talk) 20:14, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Elayne Adamczyk Harrington, anything you wish to add to this discussion? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:13, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Guliolopez. I added alt2 which is in line with your idea. Do you want to take this forward now? Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:55, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Elayne Adamczyk Harrington, anything you wish to add to this discussion? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:13, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. While the proposed alt1 is better than the originally proposed hook, it is not ideal (as "followed" implies a sense of wile that isn't in the source - which gives "attended with"). If it were me, I think a hook which focused on the subject's experience with homelessness (and attempts to challenge perceptions of homelessness and destigmatise the issue) would make for a more interesting hook. And is a much more topical issue. In Ireland at least. IMO anyway. Guliolopez (talk) 20:14, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
Yes. alt2 is probably "good to go". The hook is interesting and cited (and reflective of the sources). Otherwise the nominated article is long enough, was new enough (at time of nom) and within policy (neutral, no copyvio, etc). QPQ likely doesn't apply. In short: Yes, this could probably be taken forward to next/prep stage. Guliolopez (talk) 14:37, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
