Template:Did you know nominations/Collateral Damage (Millennium)

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The result was: promoted by Victuallers (talk) 10:01, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Collateral Damage (Millennium)

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... that Millennium's "Collateral Damage" featured Coast to Coast AM host Art Bell playing himself?

Reviewed: Gendarmerie d'Haïti (outcome still pending)

Moved to mainspace by Grapple X (talk). Self-nominated at 08:51, 1 October 2015 (UTC).

Great detail of info, good sources (yet mostly inaccessible), well lengthened, no bloating, and hook cited. However, can you create hooks about the actor James Marsters, who made guest appearance in the episode? I'd like to create hooks myself, but I must abide to WP:DYKSG rules. George Ho (talk) 20:22, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
I suppose I could, but I'm not sure anything in there about him would be concise enough for the DYK character limit—the bit about him not being recognised during casting would take a bit of explanation, as I see it. GRAPPLE ^X 23:52, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

How about mentioning just his guest appearance and his role as "Spike"? Concise enough? George Ho (talk) 00:04, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

James Marsters in 2003

I wasn't sure whether you are going to do it, but I have an impulse to do something instead.

ALT1: ~~... that James Marsters (pictured), who played Spike in Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel, played a role of one of the kidnappers in the Millennium episode, "Collateral Damage"?~~
ALT2: ... that Millennium's "Collateral Damage" featured actor James Marsters (pictured), portrayer of Spike in Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel, playing one of the kidnappers?

I'll leave this to you and another reviewer then. George Ho (talk) 18:41, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

ALT2 is less of a mouthful, and I could see readers more likely to click the featured article over the other links, but it could be reduced. Maybe refer to Buffy and Angel as the Buffyverse (George Ho)? Article is otherwise good for the reasons stated and clear of close paraphrasing. 23W 20:12, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

FWIW, there is also a suggested hook which is less of a mouthful and less likely to shunt traffic. GRAPPLE ^X 22:04, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Since I also like the idea of a Marsters hook, I took a stab at tightening the ALT up some more:
ALT3: ... that actor James Marsters (pictured), known for playing Spike in the Buffyverse, guest-starred in Millennium's "Collateral Damage"? —GrammarFascist _contribs ^talk 04:55, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

New reviewer needed to finish the review and check the new ALT3; it's been over two weeks. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:59, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

I can't say that "did you know that this actor known for playing 'x' in 'y' also played 'a' in 'b'?" is particularly hook-worthy, unless 'y' and 'b' were very much against type. (like, say, Leonard Nimoy starring in Baywatch ... but that would be, well, illogical....) I can't see anything else that's really "hooky" from reading the article. Sorry. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 12:08, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Not to sound impatient or anything but is there any way we could kind of ringfence this whole James Marsters detour? It's gotten a bit long-winded for no pay-off. GRAPPLE ^X 12:14, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Here is another suggestion, Ritchie:

ALT4:... ~~that The A.V. Club's Todd VanDerWerff opined that actor James Marsters (pictured) made his character sympathetic and complex rather than a simple villain in Millennium's "Collateral Damage"?~~

I could not insert reference to his role as Spike due to space. George Ho (talk) 23:40, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Hook not verifiable for Alt 4. The article does not describe Marsters character as complex, although it does describe him as sympathetic.4meter4 (talk) 14:41, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

I am approving the original hook which I actually find more interesting than any of the Marsters hooks. That hook is verified to online sources. The article checks out; no copywrite vios, follows wikipedia policies, is long enough, and is new enough. QPQ is done. The original hook can be promoted.4meter4 (talk) 14:41, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Main hook only Hook fact was not included as a ref at the end of the sentence where it was mentioned. I have fixed that. Victuallers (talk) 08:33, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

FWIW, it was referenced, to the very next ref used in the paragraph. It just wasn't referenced at the end of the sentence so as to avoid duplicating the same reference in two consecutive sentences. GRAPPLE ^X 09:11, 26 November 2015 (UTC)