Template:Did you know nominations/Charibael

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by BlueMoonset (talk) 01:33, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
No response from nominator.

Charibael

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The cities of Charibael and his neighbors in the 1st-century Periplus

... that the Periplus of the Erythraean Sea credited the Yemeni king "Charibael" (Karibʾīl) with control of the major ports of the Swahili Coast?
- ALT1:... that "Charibael" (Karibʾīl)—and not the Roman army—was probably responsible for the destruction of Aden shortly before the composition of the Periplus of the Erythraean Sea?

Reviewed: ~~Will do~~ "From Dixie with Love".
Comment: No, I don't want many other extraneous links in these hooks—just the ones to the page being promoted. Thanks.

Created by LlywelynII (talk). Self-nominated at 15:26, 18 February 2019 (UTC).

@LlywelynII:, please forgive my propensity to meandering discourse. This category of information interests me greatly, the origins of language and culture interspersed with situational trivia through the eyes of historical historians. I am compelled to attempt reviewing this DYK. And I tried about two nights ago. However I failed after a couple of hours with little to report, but the DYK has languished with no input, so I will explain what stopped me. The first few citations are in foreign languages and in the old day, for the purpose of DYK, an editor in good standing and literacy was to be trusted for minor translations. So I confirmed the names I could, no obvious mistake, and moved on to the Description section.

It says, "He is said to exercise control over..." three or four named towns and villages. So as I went about checking this part, I had to figure out and repair a small error to linking of the Periplus notes section, minor issue but may explain my failure to sufficiently concentrate, so on to the confirmation of sovereignty, he, Schoff, waffles on a bit about the history of royalty in that particular area, relating and supposing lineage and miscalculations in route based on other books, fine. I believed however that he was telling us about the kings which came before Charibael in relation to some of these towns, particularly Muza, that the kingdom was split up before Charibael. Between the notes and the Periplus itself, nothing seemed to say explicitly say he was king of Muza in particular and perhaps one or more of the others. Nine or ten days between ports may represent a thousand miles, so I had to reread and reference and reread and eventually, I failed concentration with little to report except that I don't believe that part is accurate.

I did not study even to the very end of the paragraph yet, however, this subject interests me enough to try again perhaps by tomorrow or after, but it is best I give you the opportunity to review my review, and perhaps even guide me in part if you are familiar enough to since researching the article. I do intend to have another look when it is out of my mind again, perhaps by tomorrow or later.

If any of that was confusing, I intend to attempt a meaningful review of this DYK over the next few days. I am not sure the extent of Charibaels sovereignty, particularly regarding Muza, is accurate to the source. Checking was longer than expected and broke my concentration. I invite you to review that one part and I will hopefully return with a simpler and more complete review during this week. ^{~^\}\_\.r T'{~ g 13:50, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Full review needed, as promised review never materialized and it's been half a month. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:05, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

@LlywelynII:, I am planning to review the hook, but before starting the review, I think some modifications are needed. First of all, I think that ALT1 should be deleted, because it contains weasel words ("most probably"). Secondly, I suggest that the original hook should be modified, because it contains two expressions (Periplus of the Erythraean Sea and Swahili Coast) which can hardly be understood without explanation. I suggest that the hook should be modified in a way that both its venue and date could be easily recognized for average editors like me. Borsoka (talk) 09:04, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

@LlywelynII:, if my understanding is correct, you do not want to work on the hook. If this is the case, you should withdraw this DYK nomination. Borsoka (talk) 02:37, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

@Borsoka: I think what the nominator meant is that they don't want more blue links in the hook other than the subject; meaning, only link to Charibael. With that said, they haven't edited since May 2 and indeed have not been very active at all since they nominated this (in fact, they have yet to reply on this very page), so this may have to be closed if this lack of response continues. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 00:23, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Yes, I know that he/she did not want more blue links and I did not want to persuade him/her to add more blue links. Yes, it is time to close this nomination. Borsoka (talk) 02:12, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Noted. Marking for closure due to a lack of response from the nominator. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 02:16, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Not that it reopens the nomination but, User:RTG and User:Borsoka, apologies for your wasted time. China instituted a blanket block on Wikipedia in late April, and Wiki has blanket blocks on VPNs' IP addresses even for signed-in, long-standing accounts. — LlywelynII 16:20, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

I am glad that you are again among us. Borsoka (talk) 16:25, 2 June 2019 (UTC)