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The following discussion is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:46, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

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Amy Garnett

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Created by The C of E (talk). Self nominated at 15:35, 22 January 2014 (UTC).

  • Six prose bytes short of 1.5k-character minimum. At least the hook's not misleading... I hope. George Ho (talk) 22:24, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

While sources are reliable, and article now meets the minimum, I can't say for sure that I'd approve this article at this size. George Ho (talk) 22:35, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

I'm not very certain, to be honest. Some articles that meet the minimum may be either overbloated or too short. It needs another reviewer. George Ho (talk) 22:52, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

  • The page is over 1500 char and reads like a solid start article, IMO. Article is new enough, long enough, well-referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. QPQ done. The hook is catchy – however, it's not cited in the article. I'm also not sure what "capped" means; is there a link for that? It seems like "capped" and "selected" mean the same thing, but whatever you say in the hook should be stated in the article, with a source. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 01:18, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
Comment. I like the hook, and don't have a problem with its sourcing: "capped" and "selected" by England do mean the same thing. The word "hooker" should be wikilinked in the hook, though. struck comment because I hadn't noticed it was intended for April Fools Day

But I do think that before this article goes on the main page it could do with a bit of a polish. Nobody expects great literature, but perhaps do something about the repetitiveness of sentences like "Garnett played club rugby for London club, Saracens Women. She has played for Saracens since before 2002. She eventually became the captain of Saracens and was captain during...". And people don't write out "xxxxx women's rugby union national team". The first time, you'd put something like the "senior England team", or the "England women's team", or even just England, and for their opponents, once context is established, you'd just put the country name. Piping those into natural English brings the character-count down quite a bit.

Also, I'm not sure what you see in ref#6 to suggest she played in the first women's international at Twickenham, but it appears from the Sunday Times match report that she didn't. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 14:59, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Done. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 15:19, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
I've tried to tighten some of the prose, changed a couple of refs for ones that more clearly verify the relevant content, fixed a couple of inaccuracies that were still there (e.g. the trophy being presented in the picture at ref#8 was the Premiership Cup, not the trophy for the actual Premiership league) and added a small amount of extra content. It looks like she attended Liverpool John Moores University rather than the University of Liverpool; there are RFU sources for both, but LJMU teaches education and PE and Liverpool doesn't. If there's anything I've messed up, please change it back. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 20:05, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
  • The page looks very good now, and the hook is clearly cited inline. Good to go. (I'm moving this to April Fools Day noms.) Yoninah (talk) 19:52, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
The original lead has obvious BLP problems. Linking to Hooker (rugby union) would be the bare minimum to make this even debatable. Even then the ALT hook seems more informative. Huon (talk) 18:42, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
Or maybe if I make it slightly more obvious it is in a sporting context:

Alt2 ... that Amy Garnett is English rugby's most-capped female hooker? The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 23:22, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

  • ALT2 needs a review soon if this is to run on April Fools. It may also need the addition of the word "female" or "woman" before "hooker" (but not in the link); while the list of men with the most caps doesn't show a male English rugby hooker with 100 or more caps, that she's the first male or female isn't stated in Amy's article, and without it, I don't think the sourcing is adequate to support the hook without the gender qualifier. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:04, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
  • The word "female" has been added to ALT2, so the hook now has adequate sourcing and support; specifying "English rugby" and linking "hooker" makes the context clear enough that I believe the BLP issues have been addressed. I've struck the original hook due to the issues above. ALT2 is approved for April Fools Day; I'm leaving ALT1 unstruck in case the hook ends up being used at a later time, but it should not be used for April Fools. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:21, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
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