Template:Did you know nominations/Alfred Lionel Rose

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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:28, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

Alfred Lionel Rose

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Colonel Lionel Rose

... that Lionel Rose silenced the crowd at an event honouring Queen Elizabeth II by yelling "shut up"?

Created by Tenniscourtisland (talk). Self-nominated at 06:11, 24 June 2016 (UTC).

comment having watched its development while training the editor it meets all the requirements of DYK, its news, its long enough, it meets policy. Its an interesting hook and well cited image is freely licensed. Given my involvement with training the editor I verify the offline sources as well, but its probably not appropriate for me to give it the final tick. Gnan garra 07:14, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

The article is new enough (today!) and long enough. The article is neutrally written and is resplendent with inline citations. No paraphrasing or other copyvio issues detected. The hook is within format, and is of exceptional interest. First DYK for this editor, so no QPQ necessary. ~~No image to check against.~~ Image verified to be in public domain. The issue is the factual accuracy of the hook. The hook itself as presented in the DYK is fine, but there seems to be a discrepancy within the article regarding this fact. The article says it took place in 1954, while the Canberra Times says this took place in 1963. Of far less importance is that the quote is "Shut up, you bastards" but then following sentences says "these two words" made newspaper headlines, and I count four words in that quote. Perhaps you need to be specific about which two words appeared on front pages? This is a really interesting article, thank you! 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 16:19, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for picking that up. I've fixed the date and verified the quote with a newspaper article so should be good to go. Thanks again. Tenniscourtisland (talk) 06:38, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

That fixes it (if a bit less, er, colorful). This is good to go, and deserves mainspace exposure. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 11:49, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

The early life section is very closely paraphrased from the ADB source. Has the rest of the article been checked? Hack (talk) 13:58, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

I don't get that. The phrasing is entirely different, the part most directly copied is "an Anglican clergyman from England" which seems a most basic description, I don't see how it could be pared down further. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 17:01, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

It's more than just five words.

Source:"Lionel Rose was born in Strathfield, New South Wales. He was the fifth child of Herbert John Rose, an Anglican clergyman from England, and his wife Harriett Ethel (née Priddle)"

Article:"Alfred Lionel Rose (1898-1980), veterinarian, army officer and public servant, was born on 21 March 1898 at Strathfield, Sydney, fifth child of Herbert John Rose, an Anglican clergyman from England, and his wife Harriett Ethel, née Priddle".Hack (talk) 02:09, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Understood, but you can't change their names, and I don't know how else you would phrase "fifth child" and "his wife". 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 02:23, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Since no one else has taken a look, I have modified the sentence under question. Therefore this will need another reviewer. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 20:28, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

New reviewer needed to complete DYK review now that original reviewer has contributed to the article. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:28, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

New enough, long enough. Must AGF on the offline source from the Northern Territory Times. The copyvio detector is mostly picking up common words and phrases and a couple quotes, so it doesn't trouble me. No QPQ is needed. I would send this to DYK. Raymie (t • c) 05:07, 7 July 2016 (UTC)