Template:Did you know nominations/Alex Moffat (trade unionist)
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The result was: promoted by PFHLai (talk) 05:16, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
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Alex Moffat (trade unionist)
[edit]... that Alex Moffat, a Scottish trade unionist and communist activist, became president of the National Union of Scottish Mine Workers?- ALT1 ... that brothers Abe Moffat and Alex Moffat were Scottish trade unionists and communist activists, who became successive presidents of the National Union of Scottish Mine Workers?
Created/expanded by Warofdreams (talk). 7&6=thirteen (☎) Nominated by 7&6=thirteen (☎) 16:22, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
User:7&6=thirteen, right now this is a quick fail: it's not long enough. Drmies (talk) 17:49, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
- Comment Working on it. Will get it up to speed. Er, I mean size. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 21:50, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
- Comment Drmies It's not done yet, but it's long enough now. I will be adding more text. Note that I added another article (and a reviewed QPQ), and added myself as one of the authors. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 19:59, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
- That's plenty. But what is "Ed. Ian MacDougall, Militant miners, p.85"? and "The Times, 1 June 1929"? "Labour History Review, Vol.68, p.103"? Sorry, but this isn't ready yet. Drmies (talk) 03:37, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
- Drmies I think the citation formats have been fixed. Does that work for you? 7&6=thirteen (☎) 18:01, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
- Thing is, I still see inconsistencies and incomplete entries. The former: "Robin Page Arnot, A History of the Scottish Miners, p.66" (note 2) lacks bibliographical information and is, unlike three other books, cited in the note, not in the Sources section; same with " Robin Page Arnot, A History of the Scottish Miners, p.420" (note 10). The latter: "Mr Abe Moffat", The Times, 29 March 1975 (note 8) lacks a page number (or a link--who has access to this article?); "Scottish TUC Bulletin, Nos.242-338, p.555" (note 9) lacks title and author and year. In addition, the paragraph beginning "It is to be noted that" is not in the proper tone: things are only to be noted if secondary sources say that, and while this source may suggest that, it can't be said in our voice. And "almost destined to be" is improper for the same reason. Plus, there is no connection between those statements and the quote that follows (I see the same thing in the paragraph starting "He and his brother").
In short, this needs more work--copyediting, revision. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 19:11, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
- Drmies, References have been fixed. Does this work for you now? Thanks. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 20:56, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
- See "It is to be noted..." and my comment on that paragraph above. Notes 4, 8, 13 lack page numbers. I don't see how the bibliography page at "Heroes of Mine" cited in note 17 verifies the information in the text. Still there are some books that are cited in the notes and some that are cited fully in the "Sources" section. Still there are incomplete entries such as in notes 2 and 9. The Fife and Kinross Miners' Association wasn't dissolved, but rather merged with another union and the two were renamed. " Abe Moffat was victimised perennially" is entirely unclear and does not seem to be verified in the source (not strange considering it's a strange claim; the source uses "victimised" probably in a specific sense).
This is the third? fourth? time that I'm called back to this, and it's still problematic. Please find a different reviewer: I would fail this, right now. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 21:28, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
- See "It is to be noted..." and my comment on that paragraph above. Notes 4, 8, 13 lack page numbers. I don't see how the bibliography page at "Heroes of Mine" cited in note 17 verifies the information in the text. Still there are some books that are cited in the notes and some that are cited fully in the "Sources" section. Still there are incomplete entries such as in notes 2 and 9. The Fife and Kinross Miners' Association wasn't dissolved, but rather merged with another union and the two were renamed. " Abe Moffat was victimised perennially" is entirely unclear and does not seem to be verified in the source (not strange considering it's a strange claim; the source uses "victimised" probably in a specific sense).
- Drmies, References have been fixed. Does this work for you now? Thanks. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 20:56, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
- Thing is, I still see inconsistencies and incomplete entries. The former: "Robin Page Arnot, A History of the Scottish Miners, p.66" (note 2) lacks bibliographical information and is, unlike three other books, cited in the note, not in the Sources section; same with " Robin Page Arnot, A History of the Scottish Miners, p.420" (note 10). The latter: "Mr Abe Moffat", The Times, 29 March 1975 (note 8) lacks a page number (or a link--who has access to this article?); "Scottish TUC Bulletin, Nos.242-338, p.555" (note 9) lacks title and author and year. In addition, the paragraph beginning "It is to be noted that" is not in the proper tone: things are only to be noted if secondary sources say that, and while this source may suggest that, it can't be said in our voice. And "almost destined to be" is improper for the same reason. Plus, there is no connection between those statements and the quote that follows (I see the same thing in the paragraph starting "He and his brother").
This article needs a new reviewer.4meter4 (talk) 23:16, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
I agree. I think he requested changes have been done. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 02:36, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
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Hook eligibility:
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- Need inline citation at the end of sentence for the following claims: that Abe Moffat was Scottish and that Abe Moffat joined CPGB. - Interesting:
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Most of the issues seem to be in arranging the inline citations at the ends of the sentences for the claims. Not sure why the following is in quotes, especially since you don't mention who said it. Would be better written in own words. "They came from a strong tradition of mining unionism..." Jolly Ω Janner 07:24, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
- Many thanks for the review. How does it look now? I've paraphrased the quotes, rearranged a couple, and have added in additional references to clarify that the other points are all from the Dictionary of Labour Biography article. Warofdreams talk 13:41, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
accepting offline sources AGF. All the relevant hook facts are now cited inline. I struck out the original hook as ALT1 combines two articles. There might be a slight case of overwikilinking e.g. communist, but I'm sure other editors can review these minor details once it enters the prep/queue. Jolly Ω Janner 03:38, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
