Template:Did you know nominations/Abel Tasman Monument
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 21:14, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
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Abel Tasman Monument
Abel Tasman Monument
- ... that Ernst Plischke had over 20 designs rejected for the Abel Tasman Monument in New Zealand's Tarakohe before he designed a tall, tapering column referencing the Greek funerary stele? Source: referenced in the chapter Tasman memorial by Linda Tyler, in the 2008 book Long Live the Modern edited by Julia Gatley
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/John Gray (nightwatchman); Sevastijan Dabović
- Comment: Other hook suggestions welcome.
Created by Schwede66 (talk; both articles), Paora (talk; Abel Tasman Monument), and Gadfium (talk; Tarakohe). Nominated by Schwede66 (talk) at 08:23, 20 December 2021 (UTC).
Hi Schwede66, reviews follow:
- Abel Tasman Monument: article created 17 December; exceeds minimum length; well written; I found no issues with overly close paraphrasing in a spotcheck on some of the online sources; cited inline throughout to what look t be reliable sources;
- Tarakohe: article started 19 December; exceeds minimum length; well written; I didn't pick up on any overely close paraphrsing. However some paragraphs in your "Demographics" section are missing citations
- Hook: mentioned in article, cited inline, AGF on offline sourcing. Image is used in the article, is freely licensed and quite striking.
- If you can fix the citations in Tarakohe then I think this will be good to go - Dumelow (talk) 07:16, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- The Demographics section is entirely sourced, apart from the areas, to three spreadsheets linked to in the reference at [1] The key to each of these spreadsheets, as given in the article, is 7022539. Most of the demographics in New Zealand geographical articles have links to user-friendly graphs and charts (see for example Pōhara#Pōhara-Abel Tasman statistical area), but these are the larger SA2 statistical areas, and there are no such user-friendly pages for the smaller SA1 areas such as the one covering this area. The areas are sourced to a mapping program [2] which is part of or supported by Statistics New Zealand, and to see the detail you need to select "statistical area", then expand that, select "statistical area 1 - 2018" and for convenience deselect "statistical area 2 - 2022". For the meshblock, you'll need to select and expand "Meshblock" and then "Meshblock - 2018". The meshblock key is 2346707. In each case, you need to zoom in to the appropriate area, and then click on the appropriate key to get the area. My experience is that searching for the key is not supported.-gadfium 08:12, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Hi gadfium, it's fine that it's not user-friendly as long as it is clear which information is sourced from where. At the moment the reader has no way of finding out where some of the data (eg. male-female ratio, median age, ethnicity etc.) comes from. From the sounds of it you'll just need to add the citation to statsnz.maps.arcgis.com at the end of the relevant paragraphs - Dumelow (talk) 08:47, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- ArcGIS is already added immediately following the area details. All the rest is from the spreadsheets, which are referenced at the end of the section. Would you like the reference (reference 2) copied to the end of each paragraph?-gadfium 08:52, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Hi gadfium, yes please. It's a DYK requirement for a citation at the end of each paragraph - Dumelow (talk) 09:46, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Sure Dumelow, I have expanded the references to indicate which spreadsheet each item of information comes from. The overall link is to a download of a zipped file of six .csv files (there are XLS formats available but they are in 62 files in 6 folders, and I don't use them), and we use four of them (I was wrong when I said three above).-gadfium 18:56, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Hi gadfium, yes please. It's a DYK requirement for a citation at the end of each paragraph - Dumelow (talk) 09:46, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- ArcGIS is already added immediately following the area details. All the rest is from the spreadsheets, which are referenced at the end of the section. Would you like the reference (reference 2) copied to the end of each paragraph?-gadfium 08:52, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Hi gadfium, it's fine that it's not user-friendly as long as it is clear which information is sourced from where. At the moment the reader has no way of finding out where some of the data (eg. male-female ratio, median age, ethnicity etc.) comes from. From the sounds of it you'll just need to add the citation to statsnz.maps.arcgis.com at the end of the relevant paragraphs - Dumelow (talk) 08:47, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- The Demographics section is entirely sourced, apart from the areas, to three spreadsheets linked to in the reference at [1] The key to each of these spreadsheets, as given in the article, is 7022539. Most of the demographics in New Zealand geographical articles have links to user-friendly graphs and charts (see for example Pōhara#Pōhara-Abel Tasman statistical area), but these are the larger SA2 statistical areas, and there are no such user-friendly pages for the smaller SA1 areas such as the one covering this area. The areas are sourced to a mapping program [2] which is part of or supported by Statistics New Zealand, and to see the detail you need to select "statistical area", then expand that, select "statistical area 1 - 2018" and for convenience deselect "statistical area 2 - 2022". For the meshblock, you'll need to select and expand "Meshblock" and then "Meshblock - 2018". The meshblock key is 2346707. In each case, you need to zoom in to the appropriate area, and then click on the appropriate key to get the area. My experience is that searching for the key is not supported.-gadfium 08:12, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
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