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Scope of Article

The article covers events which occured in early 1992, not events which occured during the entire Bosnian War. Therefore, the Research and Documentation Center in Sarajevo's figures cannot be used to describe the death toll only from April-July 1992, as their figures encompass the total fatalities in the Zvornik municipality from 1992-1995, with all ethnic groups included. 23 editor (talk) 20:20, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Numbers, again

3,936 were killed from all ethnic groups; the number of Bosniak civilians killed during the entire war in Zvornik is 2,017 (this includes victims of the Srebrenica massacre killed on the territory of Zvornik municipality . 23 editor (talk) 19:38, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Providing a conservative range in the death toll

The box, of quick facts to the right cites death toll of 700-900, by a reauters report citing number ccording to one of the warring parties, itq own court findings which are not a valid objective view as they pertain to the events within the indictment, and not the international indictment and findings. Given that 700-900 is provided by the Reuters report and is no all encompassing, "The Death of Yugoslavia" a BBC sponsored documentary cites 2,000 as the total missing or presumed dead. Additionally a common view of 2,700 has been expressed by other previous citations by this page. The 2,000 was not cited in "The Death of Yugoslavia" as including the Srebrenica victims, the "3,936 however DOES include the Srebrenica victims, but not Serb civilians, as that would drive the toll over 4,000 which at a different time was ALSO reported previously on this page. Therefore in light of the objective use by foreign documentaries, and the Research documentation Center for the Srebrenica massacre and ICTY finding in the Oric judgement of 3,166 were killed in the area around Srebrenica in 1992 (ONLY documented deaths, not including those still unaccounted). Considering Bratunac municipality RDC data found a toll of 1,156 in Bratunac in 1992, and ICTY cites 3,166 in the Podrinje area...the total of 2,000 seems most accurate, the 700-900 can be accepted as those killed IMMEDIATELY in Zvornik, it does not represent ALL killed in 1992, based on numeric calculations, for 1992 by the ICTY and RDC, 3,936 is exceedingly too high and has too wide of a range, and POSSIBLY includes other ethnicities. I believe for Wikipedia neutrality a range I believe would be the most appropriate for others to cite and may still be too low would be 1,000-2,000 this would include the minimum death toll cited by Serbian sources during the first days, used by Serbian Courts, which as a warring party is suspected to be lower than reality likely to be lower than the reality, using the 900 and assuming only 100 more died 1,000 seems an appropriate minimum. Given the presumed validity of the BBc:Death of Yugoslavia number of 2,000 and the ICTY statistic of 3,166 in the region, AT LEAST 1,000 is accurate as is as many as 2,000.[1]cited by "The Death of Yugoslavia, or ICTY calculations in the Oric trial.[2], [3],

References

  1. ^ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kn0uo1bbJt4
  2. ^ https://genocideinbosnia.wordpress.com/tag/zvornik-massacre/>
  3. ^ http://www.idc.org.ba/onama/izvjestaj_analize_po_centrima.html#podrinje

Close Source

The close source to the issue at hand, and its obvious, and blatant bias in this article, certainly explains why many professors, including one of mine refuse to accept citations from Wikipedia. Numerically a range within the mainstream academic discourse is the most appropriate way of addressing this, I am going to change the quick facts box to provide a 1,000-2,000 death toll for Bosniak and Croat victims from April-December 1992, which is the subject of the ICTY indictment in the Karadzic, Mladic, and Milosevic cases. See the previous "Providing a conservative range" portion of this page as to why that is the most appropriate quick facts number. If it changes to 700-900 again, its obvious someone with bias is cutting the numbers and only using estimates by one side to the conflict and compressing it into the briefest of periods.

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