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2nd paragraph of the introduction and sourcing

Can you help me understand the article? The introduction begins by defining Zionist antisemitism as a phenomenon among anti-semites. In the 2nd paragraph, a link between Zionist movement and anti-semites is being made. This is done with an out of context quote of Herzl by Joseph Massad as well as refering to Karl Kraus idea of the "essence" of zionism. Yet, the source is Paul Reitter and there is simply no way to glean from that source what Karl Kraus meant by this and what his idea about it was. So the 2nd paragraph and the connection of Zionist to antisemites appears wholy unsourced.

To be clear, I don't want to dispute the idea of Zionist leaders, for their own goals, using and exploiting antisemites. Yet the essence of the paragraph appears to point to an entirely different connection. A connection with the same goals and the same "essence". If that is indeed at the heart of this wikipedia article, wouldn't we require more sourcing and explanations? So far it appears that the body of the article merely points to some quotes and ideas and isn't fleshed out whatsoever to be making that kind of connection.

I'm asking because it appears to me that the antisemites to zionism connection, the first part, is a lot more clear and fleshed connection in the body of the article. Yet both connections (antisemites->zionism and zionism->antiseimtes) are featured prominently in the introduction 2003:F3:172F:6E5F:718A:5854:45BA:9A6C (talk) 14:59, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Racism between Jews is common in Israel"

Really? that is such a nonsense and misleading 2A00:A040:1A3:B62A:7DCE:A788:302A:601F (talk) 16:51, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

See: Racism in Israel#Intra-Jewish racism: Racism between Jews. Happy reading. Iskandar323 (talk) 12:41, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The claim is of course true, but I'm not sure if it fits in this article - do the sources talk about "Zionist antisemitism"? BobFromBrockley (talk) 14:55, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Citation Needed

Can someone please add a source for the claim: "The Israeli government's alleged collaboration with antisemitic politicians abroad has been criticized by anti-Zionists as a manifestation of Zionist antisemitism, in that it seeks to highlight Jew-hatred in order to provide further incentive for Jewish immigration to Israel."?

Much Appreciated DutchBakery (talk) 14:49, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]