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Requested move 1 June 2018

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The result of the move request was: Zhdanov is moved to Zhdanov (disambiguation) and Zhdanov is redirected to Andrei Zhdanov. ~ Winged Blades^Godric 13:57, 9 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Zhdanov → Zhdanov (disambiguation) – In the same manner that Lenin redirects to Vladimir Lenin, Stalin to Joseph Stalin, Malenkov to Georgy Malenkov, Khrushchev to Nikita Khrushchev, Brezhnev to Leonid Brezhnev, Andropov to Yuri Andropov, Gorbachev to Mikhail Gorbachev, Yeltsin to Boris Yeltsin, Putin to Vladimir Putin, Bukharin to Nikolai Bukharin, Kamenev to Lev Kamenev, Beria to Lavrentiy Beria, Voroshilov to Kliment Voroshilov, Bulganin to Nikolai Bulganin, Shepilov to Dmitri Shepilov or Vyshinsky to Andrey Vyshinsky, so should Zhdanov redirect to Andrei Zhdanov who was considered to be Stalin's successor and propagator of the Zhdanov Doctrine. Everything on the disambiguation page [other than Zhdanov (surname)] refers to him and many other references — Zhdanovsk, Russia; Zhdanovsky Island; Zhdanovskaya (district); Zhdanovskaya (Moscow Metro); Zhdanovskaya (railroad station); Zhdanovskaya (locomotive depot); Zhdanov Shipyard, Russia; Zhdanov Shipyard, Ukraine; Zhdanivska coal mine; etc — are not even listed there. Over a year ago, a mass nomination which included Zhdanov was unsuccessful at Talk:Kalinin#Requested move 15 April 2017 Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 04:18, 1 June 2018 (UTC). Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 04:18, 1 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Zhdanov isn't unique to this Zhdanov. Not comparable with Lenin. And would question why Malenkov in above list. This kind of redirect needs using very sparingly. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:56, 1 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Malenkov became Stalin's successor upon Stalin's death in March 1953 and served as General Secretary until February 1955. More than sufficient to qualify. Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 12:56, 2 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Zhdanov, Ukraine, (now Mariupol) is a challenger to primary status of the Andrei Alexandrovich. — AjaxSmack 12:58, 1 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Mariupol is no longer named after Zhdanov, but Gladstone, Queensland is still named after Gladstone, yet that was not considered to be a challenger to primary status of William Ewart at Talk:Gladstone (disambiguation)#Requested move 30 November 2016. Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 14:41, 1 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral but I made an edit to the page to include the articles mentioned above (less Zhdanovskaya (district) and Zhdanovskaya (railroad station) which are redirects without mention at the target). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 07:27, 2 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Both Zhdanovskaya (district) and Zhdanovskaya (railroad station) are, however, indicated [as Vykhino (district) and Vykhino (railroad station)] at the Zhdanovskaya/Vykhino disambiguation page. Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 12:56, 2 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support. If you google Zhdanov, every result on the first page refers to this subject. Nine Zulu queens (talk) 00:26, 3 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I am still confused as to why you so often create requests based upon the existence of other primary topic redirects (usually revolving around more prominent figures; "Zhdanov" is not comparable to "Lenin" or "Stalin" in terms of usage or recognizability). The particular situation of Zhdanov is the only case that should be under consideration here. Dekimasuよ! 18:08, 4 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

All the remaining Soviet personages mentioned at Talk:Kalinin#Requested move 15 April 2017 may be, at some point in the future, re-submitted for consideration as primary redirects. Had I not submitted last year's Kalinin RM mass request, Zhdanov could probably have been moved to Zhdanov (disambiguation) without an RM and few editors/users would have likely noticed or cared.

Virtually all of the above-listed names of top-level Soviet Politburo members became primary redirects without an RM. In one respect, the listing of the Politburo names within the nomination represents seemingly supportive examples of WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS — if all of the above names are already primary redirects — why not Zhdanov who was at least as prominent as a number of them — and all of them had varying levels of international prominence in their era.

Of course, no one would question the primary status of Lenin and Stalin but, as I mentioned at Kalinin and as again pointed out above by Nine Zulu queens, all of these high-ranking Soviets have no name competition — as with Gladstone or Disraeli in the English-speaking world — everything at their surname dab pages is named after them and yet their names were not even mentioned at those dab pages until after the Kalinin RM. Anyone typing their surnames is almost certainly searching for them or something named after them. Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 21:57, 4 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Clear primary redirect. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:18, 6 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Zhdanov is obviously not as famous as Stalin, but the surname overwhelmingly refers to the most famous person bearing the name, which is probably comparable to a Van Buren. bd2412 T 12:14, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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