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i have removed the title Imam from both ali ibn abi talib and husayn due to fact that they are only known as Imams by the shia and the actually names should be used which represents the majority Muslim view

Previous version is 12ers biased

Claims and Quotes brought in by 12ers scholars make the article biased in their Favor. If 12ers want to have section in the article to discuss their view it should be at the bottom of the article (which Should be clearly marked that it is their view.)

Zabarah (talk) 03:42, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

I have deleted the long bottom section of this article, pure fiction...

Removed 12er biasAl-Zaidi (talk) 04:08, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

I am not twelver or Zaidi. Yet, I respect Imam Zaid as the Imam before Jafar Sadiq. As for the edits, if you can find sources for your claims then post them if not, don't delete sourced materialAl-Zaidi (talk) 05:05, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

This article is 75% fiction and lies

I have deleted the middle paragraph of this article, pure fiction and fantasy tales.

you seem to be really good at arithmatic to be able to reach at such a conclusion please extend your services to the Wiki Maths portal as well where they are in a greater need, rather than waste your energy on a biographical account Hussain 10:01, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

I think Hadrat Zayd-e-Shahid (as) is also in sunni tradition

Wassalam

MP

Just re-wrote the article to give it a more neutral tone, but it could still use some cleaning up and some referencing. Slackerlawstudent 05:22, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

There was no reason to remove the account of Zayd's rebellion from this article, as it belonged in a biograophy of Zayd. Perhaps, though you or someone else could expand the new article you created (Zaydi Revolt) to provide more detail about the circumstances of the rebellion. Everything after about line 10 of the current version is not suitable for an encyclopedia, as it is a copy-paste of a long, non-neutral article (but you could link to the original source if you like). Slackerlawstudent 11:12, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

I arranged the article in a fashion that only non religious material is considered the main section. All references to Zayd ibn Ali in texts mentioned in Sayyid-Ali Al-Zaidi's article " A short history..." is in the section of other literature. As for your work on Zayd ibn Ali's role in the 740 rebellion, i dedicated an entirely new page to the revolt and placed all your research in the article Zaidi Revolt. Al-Zaidi 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Major rewrite and cleanup required ASAP

This article is 1) badly sourced, 2) goes off on huge tangents, especially in the section Reforming the Umayyad rule from the inside, and 3) Written with poor language. Normally, I would undertake this task myself, but there are a couple of reasons I want a team here. I want neutrality, and I want a consensus among all the different parties involved.

I will represent the Ahl as-Sunnah wa al-Jama'ah here, and I would like one representative each from the Zaydiyyah, the Imamiyyah, and the Ismailiyyah. This way, we will ensure a neutral discussion, and we will ensure that all our sources are reliable and agreeable. If a member each of the Zaydiyyah and the Imamiyyah could please contact me (just leave a message here if you are interested) then we can get to editing this right away, since Zayd ibn Ali is not as prominent a figure to the Ismailiyyah as it is to three parties aforementioned.

Anybody else who wishes to contribute is free to give their input, but I ask you to refrain from editing this article without consulting the team that will be working on it.

Wa Salam, ReallyFat B. 09:49, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Article improvement

The article has been re done and reformatted to reflect the actual Zaidi history and background rather than a 12r biased account. Imam Zayd ibn Ali was not a 12r in any sense. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.27.15.83 (talk) 18:57, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

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This article is about Imam Zayd bin Ali (as), and it only presents a 12r shia view. Why is the author so bias ? What about a section for the sunni and Zaydi view ?

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Copyvio in the section about his death

I've been digging through this article's history and found out that the section about Zayd's death initially had references, among others to a work titled "Peshawar Nights" by Sultanu'l-Wa'izin Shirazi. That same diff, however, was a revert of copyvio removal. After a bit of googling, I found an online version of "Peshawar Nights" and indeed the section about Zayd's death is copypasted content. I am therefore replacing that section by something less copyvio, with less POV and better refs. --HyperGaruda (talk) 18:20, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Hadith prophesying his Death

I doubt the validity of the Hadith, In سير أعلام النبلاء - الجزء الخامس mentions this as following رأيت النبي -صلى الله عليه وسلم- كأنه متساند إلى خشبة زيد بن علي ، وهو يقول : هكذا تفعلون بولدي

At the same time the vision in other texts is related to the son of Imam Hussein Ali قول عمر الجعفري: كنت أدمن الحج فأمرّ على عليّ بن الحسين عليه السّلام فأسلّم عليه، وفي بعض حججي غدا علينا عليّ بن الحسين عليه السّلام ووجهه مشرق فقال: جاءني رسول الله صلّى الله عليه وآله في ليلتي هذه حتّى أخذ بيدي وأدخلني الجنة وزوّجني حوراءَ، فواقعتها، فعَلقَت؛ فصاح بي رسول الله صلّى الله عليه وآله: يا عليّ بن الحسين، سمِّ المولود منها زيداً. فما قمنا من مجلس عليّ بن الحسين عليه السّلام ذلك اليوم وعليّ يقصّ الرؤيا؛ حتّى أرسل المختار بن أبي عبيد بأمّ زيد هدية إلى عليّ بن الحسين عليه السّلام اشتراها بثلاثين الفاً؛ فلما رأينا إشفاقه بها تفرّقنا من المجلس؛ ولما كان من قابل حججت ومررت على عليّ بن الحسين عليه السّلام لأسلّم عليه، فأخرج زيداً على كتفه الأيسر وله ثلاثة أشهر وهو يتلو هذه الآية ويؤمئ بيده إلى زيد: هذا تأويلُ رؤيايَ مِن قَبلُ قد جعلَها ربّي حقاً

Other references mention this Hadeath حديث عليّ عليه السّلام: أخبرني رسول الله صلّى الله عليه وآله بقتل الحسين عليه السّلام وصلب ابنه زيد بن عليّ عليه السّلام. قلت له: أترضى يا رسول الله يقتل ولدك ؟ قال: يا علي، أرضى بحكم اللهِ فيَّ وفي ولدي، ولي دعوتان: أمّا الاولى فاليوم، والثانية إذا عُرضوا على الله عزّوجلّ، ثم رفع يديه إلى السماء وقال: يا عليّ، أَمِّن على دعائي: اللهمّ أحصِهم عدداً، واقتُلهم بَدداً، وسلِّط بعضَهم على بعض، وامنَعهم الشرب من حَوضي ومُرافقتي؛ ثمّ قال: أتاني جبرئيل وأنا أدعو عليهم وأنت تؤمِّن فقال: لقد أُجيبتْ دعوتُكما.

وحديث حذيفة بن اليمان: نظر النبيّ إلى زيد بن حارثة فقال: المظلوم من أهل بيتي سَمِيّ هذا، والمقتول في الله والمصلوب سَميّ هذا. وأشار إلى زيد بن حارثة؛ ثمّ قال: ادنُ منّي يا زيد، زادك الله حبّاً عندي، فأنت سَميّ الحبيب من ولدي.

I tried to find the exact Hadeath mentioned in the text but couldn't find it

More references and citations ?

This article lacks citation and references, can someone please help with those? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Indipediaxxx (talk • contribs) 12:59, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

The lead doesn't need citations as per MOS:LEADCITE. --Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 13:05, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the info, but I am not able to find any information/ reference where it says that her mother was the daughter of King Dhar, if you can give me some reference here or add it to the article then that will be greatIndipediaxxx (talk) 16:57, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

I have commented it out for now. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 17:09, 17 December 2017 (UTC)