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the historical section of the page does not meet the minimum criteria of historiographical reliability. A team of croatian users, probably hierarchically and organically organizad, mystify sistematically the history of the town. They are very professional in what was called "Damnatio memoriae". The italian name "Zara" is simply forbidden, banned, damned. Do not try to change this. Zara simply doesn't exit — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.58.215.209 (talk) 07:51, 29 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Forget Wikipedia for anything related to Croatia geography and history it is not reliable. I see the same happening on most wiki page about Croatia and therefore all articles are presented with a strong nationalistic bias. It is a pity as it deprives Dalmatia from the richness of the cultures that lived there in centuries. I assume that while for Croatian editors it is important to ensure the historical narrative confirming their identity, others like Italians editors stopped caring long time ago. To go back to your comment I indeed find not up to wiki standards that the name that Zadar had for the last 400+ years is not even mentioned on main page and hidden childishly near the Tuscan (?) name.2A02:A455:1506:1:41C4:9CCF:D115:E663 (talk) 23:37, 6 December 2020 (UTC)DocG4[reply]

Lead section

Does it need all this text?

The area of present-day Zadar traces its earliest evidence of human life from the late Stone Age, while numerous settlements date as early as the Neolithic.[citation needed] Before the Illyrians, an ancient Mediterranean people of an Indo-European culture inhabited the area. Zadar traces its origin to its 9th-century BC founding as a settlement of the Illyrian tribe of Liburnians known as Iader.[citation needed]
In 59 BC, it was renamed Iadera when it became a Roman municipium. In 48 BC it became a Roman colonia. During Roman rule Zadar acquired the characteristics of a traditional Ancient Roman city with a regular road network, a public square (forum), and an elevated capitolium with a temple.
After the fall of the Western Roman Empire in 476 and the destruction of Salona by the Avars and Croats in 614, Zadar became the capital of the Byzantine theme of Dalmatia. In the beginning of the 9th century, Zadar came briefly under Frankish rule, but the Pax Nicephori returned it to the Byzantines in 812. The first Croatian rulers gained brief control over the city in 10th century. In 998 Zadar swore allegiance to Doge Pietro Orseolo II and became a vassal of the Republic of Venice. In 1186 it placed itself under the protection of Béla III, King of Hungary and Croatia.
In 1202, the Venetians, with the help of Crusaders, reconquered and sacked Zadar. Hungary regained control over the city in 1358, when it was given to king Louis I of Hungary. In 1409, king Ladislaus I sold Zadar to the Venetians. When the Ottoman Empire conquered the Zadar hinterland at the beginning of the 16th century, the town became an important stronghold, ensuring Venetian trade in the Adriatic, the administrative center of the Venetian territories in Dalmatia and a cultural center. This fostered an environment in which arts and literature could flourish, and between the 15th and 17th centuries Zadar came under the influence of the Renaissance, giving rise to many important Italian Renaissance figures like Giorgio Ventura and Giovanni Francesco Fortunio, who wrote the first Italian grammar book, and many Croatian writers, such as Petar Zoranić, Brne Krnarutić, Juraj Baraković and Šime Budinić, who wrote in Croatian.
After the fall of Venice in 1797, Zadar came under Austrian rule until 1918, except for a period of short-term French rule (1805–1813), still remaining the capital of Dalmatia. During French rule the first newspaper in Croatian, Il Regio Dalmata – Kraglski Dalmatin, was published in Zadar (1806–1810). During the 19th century Zadar functioned as a center of the Croatian movement for cultural and national revival in a context of increasing polarization and politicization of ethnic identities between Croats and Dalmatian Italians.
With the 1920 Treaty of Rapallo Zadar was given to the Kingdom of Italy. During World War II, it was bombed by the Allies and witnessed the evacuation of ethnic Italians. Partisans captured the city on 1 November[citation needed] 1944; in 1947 it officially became part of SR Croatia, a federal constituent of the SFR Yugoslavia, whose armed forces defended it in October 1991 from the Serb forces who aimed to capture it.

shouldn't it be in history section? LibStar (talk) 06:35, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I also refer to Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section, which says As a general rule of thumb, a lead section should contain no more than four well-composed paragraphs and be carefully sourced as appropriate, although it is common for citations to appear in the body, and not the lead. LibStar (talk) 04:37, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The usual pathetic croatian nationalistic article about a croatian city

Croats built everything, croats were the victims, croats were the native people of the city, the culture was only croatian...how long can wikipedia survive when there are so many biased articles? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.24.86.241 (talk) 18:17, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]