Talk:Yvette Mimieux

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How is her last name pronounced?

I've heard it pronounced two different ways.209.179.36.25 (talk) 20:14, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Her first marriage?

Why is her first marriage to Evan Engber mentioned down under "Personal Life" ("She married in 1959 to Evan Engber. [27]") but not listed in the info box in the upper right? 71.204.24.132 (talk) 17:44, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Date of Death

She died on the morning of January 18, 2022 as most sources have indicated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.122.216.158 (talk) 13:19, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Was found on Tuesday, but as per multiple new sources published by NYT, LAT and People, her representatives are now giving a more direct specification she died Monday evening. @Danielvis08: and @Vincent Lefèvre:, the result of your discussion on the French wiki can’t be used over here on the English wiki, especially when I couldn’t participate in said discussion as I’m not a speaker of the French language, so I’ll illustrate my stance here: we are getting direct confirmations from her representatives giving a more direct date of death as Monday evening, the 17th. Daniel, the reason things changed for Vallee was because an official family statement was issued after the fact (and after the initial autopsy) that specified it was the 25th. That’s why that changed, the information updated so thus the page updated. Since the initial Deadline report that stated she was found dead Tuesday, New York Times, People, Los Angeles Times and the Washington Post have had direct communication with her representatives, and in each instance Monday is explicitly stated. No “she was found dead and likely died yesterday evening”, it’s “she died Monday evening”. That’s as direct as possible, and given the reliability of these four sources in comparison to the New York Post (not a terribly reliable source) like I saw a few times in the French wiki talk, we can put the date of death as the 17th with the note specifying the details that can lead to the confusion in the reporting. And as stated should a death certificate appear that changes that (it’s not always a guarantee that becomes available though) then we can update things. But as it stands her reps are saying Monday, so it’s Monday. Rusted AutoParts 21:41, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

@Rusted AutoParts: However, this is contradicted by the Chicago Sun-Times, which says "Michelle Bega, a family spokeswoman, said Mimieux died in her sleep of natural causes overnight Monday evening at her home in Los Angeles.", which means, because of "overnight", in the night starting from Monday evening, leaving the possibility of Tuesday. It is possible that other medias have interpreted and simplified this to a potentially incorrect statement. — Vincent Lefèvre (talk) 22:25, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

I don't see why that does, considering Monday evening is still present in that article. "It is possible that other medias have interpreted and simplified this to a potentially incorrect statement" we can't assume that, all we have are the ways of how the individual journalist writes the article. Why should we assume NYT trimmed it? When Sean Connery died, they made the specification he died "in his sleep, either late Friday or early Saturday" (death certificate issued made the date specified) so why wouldn't they do the same here. We are still primarily seeing a specification of Monday evening from prominent sources. Regardless, as I've said before, this is the exact reason there's a note beside the death date in the article. Rusted AutoParts 22:30, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Note that The New York Times, also mentioning Michelle Bega, says "Monday night", which is rather ambiguous (unlike Monday evening). The Los Angeles Times says the same thing as the Chicago Sun-Times (this actually comes from the Associated Press), thus "overnight Monday evening". The Washington Post and People just say Monday 17. But all of them are based on what Michelle Bega said. — Vincent Lefèvre (talk) 22:44, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

The constant still being Monday, there is still a day being assigned prevalence. Tuesday is rarely stated. At this point, the certificate or a funeral notice would be the most definitive evidence, but those are not guaranteed to be issued, and in that case we still have a specific day the representative is stating. Otherwise, we would be still be seeing it put as "found dead Tuesday" or ala Connery "died either yesterday or early today". Please allow the note to serve as the means to contain the details of the reporting. Rusted AutoParts 22:51, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

When saying "overnight", it is not needed to specifically state Tuesday, as this already means in the night from Monday to Tuesday. So it is not true that the constant is Monday. Some sources say Monday. Others (based on AP) imply that this is either Monday or Tuesday. — Vincent Lefèvre (talk) 23:17, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

...yes it's the constant because the word Monday is literally being said each time. Anyway, I feel I'm just repeating myself, but this is what the note clarifies: that the sources are primarily citing Monday night and that some have been reporting Tuesday or leaving it as overnight. This has been an issue at Olivia de Havilland and Cloris Leachman too. We can put it as January 17 as per the rep unless a coroner certificate puts the date as the 18th. Since that's not promised, we'll just wait and see and keep it as is, with the note. Rusted AutoParts 23:23, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

What matters is not the words that are written, but what is implied. If they had written "the day after Monday", it would not be Monday, but Tuesday. Until the exact date is known, it would be much better to put both possibilities: "17 or 18". — Vincent Lefèvre (talk) 23:53, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

No, as once again (this is frustrating), the note explains the situation. We don't need to do a c. January 17/18 thing because the note covers everything, while also demonstrating that there is more weight put onto Monday as the date of death. What's implied is that Mimieux died Monday evening/night. Whether that means it was 11:30PM, or 3 AM Tuesday, we don't know, there's no time specified, but Monday is still stated in each source. Not "either late Monday or early Tuesday", just plain Monday. So the overthinking of the situation was condensed into the note, and we can just wait and see if new information comes up that supports it actually being the 18th. The reader isn't being deceived, and all relevant facts about the issue are present. Rusted AutoParts 23:58, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

https://obituaries.neptunesociety.com/obituaries/sherman-oaks-ca/yvette-mimieux-ruby-10560837 --Danielvis08 (talk) 06:44, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

You go "hmmm" in your edit summary yet I literally have said " At this point, the certificate or a funeral notice would be the most definitive evidence". We worked off what we had, now with an obituary notice through Neptune Society, info can be updated. Rusted AutoParts 06:51, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Sorry for this. Excuse me. --Danielvis08 (talk) 06:57, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Snowbeast

Yvette started in Snowbeast 216.246.178.57 (talk) 00:20, 5 March 2023 (UTC)