Talk:Yundi/Archive 1
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Signature
What's his signature doing in there? He has a signature I see. A lot of people have them. So what. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jazzbox (talk • contribs) 08:11, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
Virtuoso?
Is it necessary to have "virtuoso" in the lead? It seems to be a bit like putting that "Jessica Alba is a beautiful actress..." ALTON .ıl 21:26, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
- Agreed, I went ahead and did it. :-) — Pladask (talk) 00:15, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
- I was wondering why virtuoso was not there (it is in the French version of the page. But I get Alton's point, it's a judgment... I guess some trusted musical papers would be able to approve or disprove the term. My 0.02, I would leave it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fabricebaro (talk • contribs) 18:11, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
Intro
"he continues to give concerts with the Hong Kong Philharmonic Orchestra"? Only with this orchestra? It is a bit weird. If there's any reason to have this in the intro, at least it should be properly sourced. --Karljoos (talk) 15:46, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
"Youngest pianist"
The phrasing makes it sound (to me, at least) as if he was the first 18-year-old to win the Warsaw Competition; Pollini was 18 as well, but he was born in January. So yes, Li is the youngest, but this becomes clear only when months are involved, I think - does this merit revision, or is this clear enough to everyone else? Chuborno (talk) 03:35, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
I agree, discriminating by a matter of months is pointless. It makes more sense to say that he was one of two (? or however many there are) 18 year olds to win First. 108.244.74.98 (talk) 07:10, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
Page has gone quiescent?
It's like his career stopped in 2010. 108.244.74.98 (talk) 07:11, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
Stop sanitising
Fanboys, please fuck off. Please discuss your objections and stop sanitising its notable and well-sourced controversies section. -- Ohc ¡digame! 15:08, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
- I'm not even a fan, but please remember this is a WP:BLP. Maybe it's because I'm not as familiar with this person, but a lot in that section looks to be trivial/gossip. Sro23 (talk) 15:25, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
- Wasn't referring to you, but some fanboys or WP:COI editors or WP:SPA editing the article. The stuff is a bit gossipy, but it's a big deal when a top-level concert pianist goes AWOL. We can rewrite the content for the tone to sound less tabloid, but its probably relevant bearing in mind the nature of the subject's profession, plus it comes from highly reputable industry sources. -- Ohc ¡digame! 16:12, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
- I think that Seoul in 2015 and two days leave in Chopin Competition doesn't worth stay in Yundi's wiki, as I know, Argerich in 2000, the first round leave all the time, and 2015 session also has other judges leave, maybe Ohconfucius want take that 2000's leave to Argerich's wikipage? Yundi can come anywhere if the organizing Committee say yes. Stop help the Yundi's rival disgraceful negative hype please! Mumu1982(talk) 16:16, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
- We are talking about the conduct of a professional concert pianist that a legitimate and respectable source (Gramophone) implies was absence without leave. It's not really for us to say it doesn't belong because another performer did something similar and it's not in her article. If you can show me a source that mentions that leave was granted, then maybe we can reconsider the content. Until then, I feel it ought to stay. Similarly, his performance in Seoul was substantially below par leading to him being slammed widely in Korean press, and even he apologised publicly. We all make mistakes, but what's not worth being in his biography? You could be Yundi, or his agent, or his no.1 fan for all I care, but that's not how WP works. -- Ohc ¡digame! 14:06, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
- Oh, I know why you say this now, you say (Gramophone), but the truth is that, the author of a phony phonograph is a Chinese, and he hates Yundi for a long time. He is also constantly in the rumor that Li Yundi, you can go to the real phonograph Check out www.Gramophone.co.uk, it haven't any links about these two happening. And this bogus page is www.Gramophone.com.cn, very simple, a different suffix, know you are deceived now？As for the Korean media, they often make rumors, yes, and I also hope you look at the Sydney concertmaster, see here, the orchestra's chief violinist for Yundi explained all this, see the Sydney concertmaster said , You still insist that it is worth the stay?UPDATE: The Sydney concertmaster Andrew Haveron clarifies:Http://slippedisc.com/2015/11/breaking-yundi-crashes-out-of-chopin-concerto/Mumu1982(talk) 02:12, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
- I can accept the Gramophone source isn't as impeccable as I thought, and on balance it can be removed and the text rewritten. Only neither incident seems to be rumours. PS, if you are associated with Yundi in any way, you ought to stay away from this article. -- Ohc ¡digame! 20:33, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
- I am a fan, I am also pursuit of the truth as a ordinary people. Yes, they are not entirely rumors, but they are exaggerated or even distorted facts. (There are many distortions of fact here. says by Andrew Haveron, SSO chief violinist) In fact the real Gramophone did not publish any views on this matter, please Do not think that they delete such articles, if the exclusion of those who distort the facts and forged components, to a classical fan, it is not worth mentioning.Mumu1982(talk) 11:53, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
- I can accept the Gramophone source isn't as impeccable as I thought, and on balance it can be removed and the text rewritten. Only neither incident seems to be rumours. PS, if you are associated with Yundi in any way, you ought to stay away from this article. -- Ohc ¡digame! 20:33, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
- Oh, I know why you say this now, you say (Gramophone), but the truth is that, the author of a phony phonograph is a Chinese, and he hates Yundi for a long time. He is also constantly in the rumor that Li Yundi, you can go to the real phonograph Check out www.Gramophone.co.uk, it haven't any links about these two happening. And this bogus page is www.Gramophone.com.cn, very simple, a different suffix, know you are deceived now？As for the Korean media, they often make rumors, yes, and I also hope you look at the Sydney concertmaster, see here, the orchestra's chief violinist for Yundi explained all this, see the Sydney concertmaster said , You still insist that it is worth the stay?UPDATE: The Sydney concertmaster Andrew Haveron clarifies:Http://slippedisc.com/2015/11/breaking-yundi-crashes-out-of-chopin-concerto/Mumu1982(talk) 02:12, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
- We are talking about the conduct of a professional concert pianist that a legitimate and respectable source (Gramophone) implies was absence without leave. It's not really for us to say it doesn't belong because another performer did something similar and it's not in her article. If you can show me a source that mentions that leave was granted, then maybe we can reconsider the content. Until then, I feel it ought to stay. Similarly, his performance in Seoul was substantially below par leading to him being slammed widely in Korean press, and even he apologised publicly. We all make mistakes, but what's not worth being in his biography? You could be Yundi, or his agent, or his no.1 fan for all I care, but that's not how WP works. -- Ohc ¡digame! 14:06, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
- I think that Seoul in 2015 and two days leave in Chopin Competition doesn't worth stay in Yundi's wiki, as I know, Argerich in 2000, the first round leave all the time, and 2015 session also has other judges leave, maybe Ohconfucius want take that 2000's leave to Argerich's wikipage? Yundi can come anywhere if the organizing Committee say yes. Stop help the Yundi's rival disgraceful negative hype please! Mumu1982(talk) 16:16, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
- Wasn't referring to you, but some fanboys or WP:COI editors or WP:SPA editing the article. The stuff is a bit gossipy, but it's a big deal when a top-level concert pianist goes AWOL. We can rewrite the content for the tone to sound less tabloid, but its probably relevant bearing in mind the nature of the subject's profession, plus it comes from highly reputable industry sources. -- Ohc ¡digame! 16:12, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
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The controversy item added amid October 21st chaos
There was a major life event of Yundi Li happening on October 21st 2021. I saw many edits occurred around that date. Mostly are about Mr. Li's arrest. But obviously Kazuha1029 used the opportunity to add another "controversy" item in this edit "Kazuha1029 (talk | contribs) at 15:30, 24 October 2021 (finalize edits.)", which is about Mr. Li's performance in Korea in year 2015. I do see the biased intention in this edit. I therefore edit the Korea controversy item. RoseParade LJ (talk) 19:23, 11 December 2021 (UTC)RoseParade_LJ
- Please read Wikipedia:Assume good faith and assume this in other editors' contribution. There was no biased intention and your sanitizing efforts (likely as a fan) is exactly why this article was never neutral in the first place. I have reverted your edits because I never stated that they did not finish the concert. The sentence was well sourced and Li did receive overwhelming criticism as a result. This was a major controversy as part of Li's professional career. If you know classical music, something like this never really happens for a professional and seasoned performer, hence warranting the Controversy section. Please remember we need to stay neutral on Wikipedia. As you're a new account I would encourage you to read over all the guidelines prior to further edits.Kazuha1029 (talk) 19:49, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
- I removed the word "overwhelming" based on the clarification of the Sydney concertmaster Andrew Haveron who was on stage that night: "We finished the performance and the applause was generous and supportive." It would be healthy to keep the page balanced. I have to point out that your attack on this page "this article was never neutral in the first place" is totally uncalled for and baseless. RoseParade LJ (talk) 03:08, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
- I further noted that on your talk page you've been warned of conflict of interests and your edit history being solely limited to Yundi confirms that you're very likely someone related. I caution you to stop making such biased edits or you may lose privilege in editing.Kazuha1029 (talk) 19:55, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
- I suggest you to read Wikipedia:Assume good faith too before recklessly labeling me as "very likely someone related". I'm a classical music fan. I'm definitely not a relative to Mr. Li. The fact that you added this old controversy on the day of a new major incident warrants a question on your motive. RoseParade LJ (talk) 00:12, 12 December 2021 (UTC)RoseParade_LJ
- That's because I only checked his page and realized such a big incident, almost world embarrassment, was not part of his Controversy section which should have been. I like Yundi and owns several albums of his, but I'm a neutral Wikipedia editor. My observation that you're likely someone who's a fan or someone connected is based on facts that someone warned you of conflict of interest, plus your limited edit history solely on Yundi, and promoting him tirelessly by only adding positive material without negatives. And like said, if you know classical music then you know how it's almost unheard of to commit such a mistake in a live performance. The fact that this happened in the past doesn't change anything. If someone caused a controversy it'll forever be on a person's profile, just like how years in the future people will still talk about how Yundi allegedly hired prostitutes. He may be a great pianist, but his attitude and reckless lifestyle caused others to raise eyebrows. No one is perfect. Many great musicians cause controversies, and it's their imperfectness that make them human. We critique someone based on their goods and bads. Please limit the sanitizing, as this has been a significant problem for this article, see discussion above. You're not the first one, won't be the last one either.Kazuha1029 (talk) 03:40, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
- To add on, your argument was that the concertmaster clarified after the performance that the performance went well. Please note: He is part of the orchestra, and as good PR he has to protect the conductor, the symphony, and the soloist. If the performance really went so well, why did Yundi have to apologize? And do note that the sentence said "received overwhelming criticism from "the audience", which is completely true. It doesn't matter what the concertmaster says because he's not the audience. Furthermore, if you read the cited articles, the audience were furious and demanded refunds. I didn't even get into the fact that Yundi seemed to show the conductor attitude while on stage and blamed him for his own mistakes. I already removed a lot of the wording or strong languages that were in the original articles. You claim you're a classical music fan. Okay, have you ever been to a live concert? Or a concert performed by high-demand virtuoso such as Yundi? If this were to happen on stage - as an audience you would know how it feels and why Korean audiences gave overwhelming criticism.Kazuha1029 (talk) 04:12, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
- That's because I only checked his page and realized such a big incident, almost world embarrassment, was not part of his Controversy section which should have been. I like Yundi and owns several albums of his, but I'm a neutral Wikipedia editor. My observation that you're likely someone who's a fan or someone connected is based on facts that someone warned you of conflict of interest, plus your limited edit history solely on Yundi, and promoting him tirelessly by only adding positive material without negatives. And like said, if you know classical music then you know how it's almost unheard of to commit such a mistake in a live performance. The fact that this happened in the past doesn't change anything. If someone caused a controversy it'll forever be on a person's profile, just like how years in the future people will still talk about how Yundi allegedly hired prostitutes. He may be a great pianist, but his attitude and reckless lifestyle caused others to raise eyebrows. No one is perfect. Many great musicians cause controversies, and it's their imperfectness that make them human. We critique someone based on their goods and bads. Please limit the sanitizing, as this has been a significant problem for this article, see discussion above. You're not the first one, won't be the last one either.Kazuha1029 (talk) 03:40, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
- I suggest you to read Wikipedia:Assume good faith too before recklessly labeling me as "very likely someone related". I'm a classical music fan. I'm definitely not a relative to Mr. Li. The fact that you added this old controversy on the day of a new major incident warrants a question on your motive. RoseParade LJ (talk) 00:12, 12 December 2021 (UTC)RoseParade_LJ