Talk:Young Americans (song)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 04:11, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Done. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 07:30, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Massive breakthrough?

How can this song be described as a 'massive breakthrough' in the USA when it only reached #28 in the charts? Breakthrough OK, but massive? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.221.170.44 (talk) 06:58, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 20:51, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Like you suggested, I will wipe out another one of these GANs! --K. Peake 20:51, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Infobox and lead

• Philadelphia soul should be capitalised in the infobox

• done

• Shouldn't the release part be moved to the sentence after comp in the first para but the mention of the ninth album kept here?

• Do song and album articles have different layouts they're supposed to follow? I think that might be what's going on here (did the same thing for "Ashes"). I think I've been following the album style (like it's laid out here) for all of these. I changed it. – zmbro _{(talk) (cont)} 22:29, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

• Move the comp and lyrics sentence to being the one after the contributions sentence
• "It was recorded in" → "It was mostly recorded in" because some recording was done in November
• "and made its live debut on" → "and was debuted on"
• "It featured contributions from" → "The song featured contributions from"

• above four done

• I would recommend starting the second para with a mention of the reception the song received

• That's one thing we seem to disagree heavily on. I'm just trying to keep it chronological with the article itself. – zmbro _{(talk) (cont)} 22:29, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

• The second highest part is not mentioned in the body, only that it was his second track to reach the top 40

• adjusted body to clarify this – zmbro _{(talk) (cont)} 22:29, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

• "retiring it following the" → "before retiring it after the"

• done

Overview

Music and lyrics

• First para looks good!
• Wikilink song structure
• "a breakdown, and two" → "a breakdown and two"
• "together through the use of" → "together through the usage of" to be less repetitive

• above three done

• Would [The song] be more appropriate on the quote box?

• yep, done

• "sense of possibility."" → "sense of possibility"." per MOS:QUOTE

• done

• President should be capitalised and mention the years he was in that position from

• Is that really necessary for this article though? And saying 1974 immediately before saying he resigned three days prior seems like overkill/superfluous" – zmbro _{(talk) (cont)} 22:29, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

• Pipe civil rights to Civil and political rights
• Is the full-stop needed after the brackets close since a question mark is used there anyway?
• "with former Beatle" → "with former band member"

• above three done

Recording

• Img looks good!
• First para looks good!
• "eagerly added by Bowie" I'm not sure if this is grammatically correct, coming after the "built them" part

• how about "were constructed by Vandross with help from Clark, and eagerly added by Bowie"?? – zmbro _{(talk) (cont)} 22:29, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

• "In September 2009, take three," → "In September 2009, take three of the song,"

• done

Release and promotion

• Pipe the Soul Tour to Diamond Dogs Tour on the img text

• done

• "and was a regular" → "and the song was a regular"

• I think it's already made clear we're talking about the song – zmbro _{(talk) (cont)} 22:29, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

• "now the upcoming album's" → "the then-upcoming album's"
• "was Bowie's cover of" → "was Bowie's 1974 cover of"

• good needed clarification

• Pipe "Knock on Wood" to Knock on Wood (David Bowie song) per MOS:LINK2SECT

• above three done

• "was a breakthrough in America," → "was a breakthrough in the United States," also, mention it was his second highest charting single directly

• yep got it

Critical reception

• "received positive reviews from" → "was met with positive reviews from"

• done

• Either mention the review was from a writer or the staff of Cash Box

• like Billboard, Cash Box never made it easy to identify reviewers – zmbro _{(talk) (cont)} 22:29, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

• "so much graffiti."" → "so much graffiti"." per MOS:QUOTE
• "named it one of" → "named the song one of"
• "and American soul."" → "and American soul"."
• Wikilink NME
• "the seventh best single of the year." → "the seventh best single of 1975."
• "by some of the lyrics," → "by certain lyrics,"
• "to Bowie's wife Angie." → "to David's wife Angie Bowie." per MOS:SAMESURNAME

• above seven done

Legacy

• Wikilink live album

• done

• Second para looks good!

Retrospective appraisal

• Quote box looks good!
• "to soul music, and his" → "to soul music and his"

• done

• "later commented that "a white" → "later commented, "A white"

• done, removed the later

• Why is later used for two sentences in a row?

• see above

• (update link) should not be in prose; remove it and make an update if you need to

• now that's extra embarrassing. Made the adjustment

• Remove (no order) since The Telegraph comes before any ordered rankings
• "The former argued it" → "The former argued the song"
• "on its list of the 1001 greatest songs to download right now!" → "on its list "The 1001 greatest songs to download right now!""

• above three done

• Where is the number 481 ranking sourced?

• for some reason RS doesn't have the 2010 list online so it was really the 486 that wasn't sourced. I don't have the energy to search an hour for it so we'll just remove it (it moving up 200 places is also way more noteworthy if you ask me). – zmbro _{(talk) (cont)} 22:29, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

Covers and appearances in media

• Pipe end credits to Closing credits
• In the last sentence, [11] should be solely invoked at the end

• both done

Personnel

• Good

Charts

• Why is IFOP included here?

• removed

Notes

• Good

References

• Copyvio score looks great at 21.3%!!!
• Wikilink Rolling Stone on ref 3 instead of ref 26
• Cite NBC News as publisher instead on ref 6
• WP:OVERLINK of Ultimate Classic Rock on ref 14
• Ref 22 needs to be properly filled in
• Remove pipe on Billboard for ref 29
• Author-link Stephen Thomas Erlewine solely on ref 39

• all done

Sources

• Wikilink Virgin Books

• done

Final comments and verdict

•  On hold until all of the issues are fixed! --K. Peake 10:17, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

• Kyle Peake Should be good to go on this one unless there's any other outstanding things. Thanks for reviewing. – zmbro _{(talk) (cont)} 22:29, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

• ✓ Pass now, no issues were left apart from the regular part of promo, though I copyedited that and a few other mistakes! --K. Peake 07:52, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 00:21, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

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• ... that David Bowie tended to change the lyrics for his song "Young Americans" to match it with the current times? Source: Pegg, Nicholas (2016). The Complete David Bowie (Revised and Updated ed.). London: Titan Books. ISBN 978-1-78565-365-0. Pages 322-324.

ALT1 ... that David Bowie frequently updated the lyrics for his song "Young Americans" to keep them contemporary? Source: Pegg, Nicholas (2016). The Complete David Bowie (Revised and Updated ed.). London: Titan Books. ISBN 978-1-78565-365-0. Pages 322-324.

• • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Choe Han-gi

Improved to Good Article status by Zmbro (talk). Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk) at 03:47, 18 January 2023 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

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Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
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QPQ: Done.

Overall: Recently improved to GA. Great hook and article and offline reference. I've refined the hook with ALT1. No Swan So Fine (talk) 15:05, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

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