Talk:You Don't Love Me (No, No, No)/GA1

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Reviewer: Holiday56 (talk · contribs) 06:03, 4 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'll be reviewing the article. Holiday56 (talk) 06:03, 4 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox

~~A singles chronology could be added.~~

Penn's singles chronology is confusing, with different labels, territories, formats, mixes, etc. — not an easy task. -Ojorojo (talk) 16:20, 4 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This is her only song with an article, so we don't really know the before and after. — AARON • ^TALK 17:06, 4 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm. As much as I'd like see the singles chronology, it's not necessarily a requirement for a GA. If no sources can really be found to verify the singles chronology, I guess can let that slide for now. Holiday56 (talk) 14:09, 5 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

~~Released as a digital download in 1994?~~

1994 formats listed. Which length(s) should be used?

It can be downloaded now, and that is sourced from iTunes. I can't find sources for CD releases etc. — AARON • ^TALK

It's rather confusing to list digital download as the only format, especially when the single cover being used in this article is of a 12-inch single. Obviously, the song must have been released in some physical formats – CD, cassette, 12-inch – otherwise, there's no way it could have charted in the 1990s. A quick Amazon search brought back evidence of 12-inch and CD releases. More info that can be incorporated. Holiday56 (talk) 11:25, 5 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The 12 inch doesn't have any description of what edit the song is or the time length, so that can't be added. The Amazon CD one can't be either. This article is about "You Don't Love Me (No, No, No)", not "You Don't Love Me (Willie Cobbs song)", which is what the CD mixes are for. They don't belong in this article. — AARON • ^TALK 12:42, 5 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If sources (the Amazon links) have been found to verify the existence of the 12-inch and CD formats, I don't see why they can't be added in the infobox. In place of the track listing, perhaps a sentence in the article saying "The single was released in 12-inch and CD formats..." could be added.

I'd rather have the formats field left blank altogether rather than have digital download listed as the only format, because that seems to imply that it was only released in download format (impossible for a single released in the 1990s). My apologies if I appear to be too demanding. Holiday56 (talk) 14:09, 5 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

~~A track listing section could be added.~~
No, because only one version of the song exists. Track listing sections are only need when there a multiple remixes by different producers etc., like "S&M". — AARON • ^TALK 17:06, 4 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Amazon sources provided above show that there are indeed more remixes and B-sides. Holiday56 (talk) 11:25, 5 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Here's a scan of the CD single back cover, with track lengths and alternate remixes/versions. Cite the information using this template. Holiday56 (talk) 14:09, 5 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
They are all added now — AARON • ^TALK 14:20, 5 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

"from her debut studio album, No No No (1994)." → The song was already well-known in Jamaica in 1967. The more internationally known version is the 1990s re-recording, but I feel that it would be better to mention the original version first.
That already has it's own article. "You Don't Love Me". Penn's version isn't strictly a cover, otherwise it would be in the other article. — AARON • ^TALK 17:06, 4 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
~~"They lyrics" → "The song's lyrics"~~
~~There's a disputed statement tag in there, which should probably be sorted out.~~
I'd suggest adding the fact that Cobb's version is itself based on Bo Diddley's "She's Fine She's Mine" to the lead. The current wording makes it seem that Bo Diddley actively participated in writing the song with Penn.
I've done some copy-editing to the lead. Holiday56 (talk) 11:25, 5 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Background

~~"The singer decided to take a break from singing" → Not keen on "sing" being used twice so soon, rephrase please~~

Rephrased.

~~Why are three sources needed for the statement "Steely and Clevie produced it"? And how does the booklet of a Rihanna album give information on the producers of a 1994 song?~~
Just sourcing who produced it. Rihanna's booklet confirms who wrote it, as Rihanna's version is cover. — AARON • ^TALK 17:06, 4 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Still, the statement being sourced is that they produced the track, not wrote it. Thus, that source either needs to be moved elsewhere in the article or removed altogether for that particular instance. Holiday56 (talk) 11:25, 5 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"Her newer song is credited to Penn, Cobbs, and Bo Diddley". Wasn't the older version also credited to these people as well? It was also based on the Cobbs/Diddley version. Perhaps this information could be moved to the paragraph regarding the 1967 version.
- - I don't know. This article isn't about the old song. — AARON • ^TALK 12:30, 5 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, Penn's name is the only one listed on the 1994 single. Most of Penn's original 1967 singles do not list a writer; the one that does credits "C. Dodd & D. Penn". -Ojorojo (talk) 17:09, 4 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting. Noticed that the final statement of the background section ("Her newer song is credited...") doesn't have a reference. Aaron, can you source this? Holiday56 (talk) 11:25, 5 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

- - Sourced now — AARON • ^TALK 12:30, 5 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Chart performance

~~"In the United States, "You Don't Love Me (No, No, No)" peaked at number 58 on the United States'..." → Rephrase, "United States" is used twice in the same sentence.~~
~~"Radio Songs" is a term used only on Billboard.com. The chart is known as "Hot 100 Airplay" elsewhere.~~

Covers

~~"Jason Birchmeier for AllMusic described..." → "Jason Birchmeier, writing for AllMusic, described..."~~
Paragraph on Beyonce's version needs some reworking. A lot of repetition, for example: "Then a man... She was then... She was then..." And do we really need so much information on her version? What makes it any more notable than the other versions mentioned in this section?
It's not, it just gives background on how the song was used. RIhanna's includes reviews of her version too. It's not necessarily got more dedicated to it, the others simply have less info about it. — AARON • ^TALK
Okay. Still, the Beyonce section still needs to be rewritten for the repetition issues I mentioned. Holiday56 (talk) 11:25, 5 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
But there's not repetition. — AARON • ^TALK 12:30, 5 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The word "then" is repeated in used in the beginnings of three consecutive sentences:

"Then a man banged a gong..."

"She was then lifted out of a 20-foot train..."

"She was then lowered to the B-stage..."

I think that can be rewritten to cut usage of "then". Holiday56 (talk) 13:44, 5 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Removed some of them. — AARON • ^TALK 14:06, 5 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Does nobody knows about the Kaleidoscope version of this song from 1968? — NATHAN • ^TALK 06:00, 1 December 2017 (UTC+1)

Other

~~"1967 singles" as a category added.~~

Overall, a good start, but several issues are in need of fixing. Putting this on hold for the meantime. Holiday56 (talk) 06:03, 4 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, done all. — AARON • ^TALK 17:06, 4 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Looking over the article again, all my issues seem to have been addressed. Good work; well-sourced and well-written, solid article. Passing. Holiday56 (talk) 14:45, 5 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks — AARON • ^TALK 14:59, 5 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]