Talk:Yob (slang)

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In New Zealand Wal Footrot is not certainly not considered a thug - I was dissapointed and a bit offended to see Wal being used as the example for Yobbo - could this be removed and replaced with something more suitable perhaps?

While Wal's not bright, he's a country boy and a farmer so not a blue collar worker, and he's not considered a trouble maker - he's an average (if dumb) guy and a co-operating member of his family (with Aunt Dolly, Pongo etc.)

The main thugs in Footrot Flats are the Murphy brothers (family?) who really ARE thugs and nasty pieces of work! — Preceding unsigned comment added by JohnGH (talk • contribs) 17:55, 13 September 2005

I have to agree. Wal Footrot is not a yobbo and I've never heard him described as one until now. The Murphy Bros. certainly better qualify but given we rarely (if ever) see Footrot Flats characters drinking excessively I'd say its a poor example all round. 202.154.74.114 06:42, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

This might not be either here nor there, but the Japanese word Yabo means "boorish, uncouth behaviour" Just thought was an interesting coincedence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.208.13.18 (talk • contribs) 07:13, 12 December 2005

Removed Some text

I've removed the following:

"Yob Slang consists of words like 'What' 'Ya mam' 'Oh NO YOUR GAY' The yobbo coulture originated in manchester and first started out as 'scallies'. most yobbos hang around in groups with black nike airmax jumpers"

from the bottom of the Oceania tab, I don't see how this correlates to the topic at hand, and really just seems to restate what the article has already established. Also has some unbased bias, like "black nike airmax jumpers".SumGuy 19:13, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

removed the claim that yob stands for "young objectable bastard" -- couldn't find secondary confirmation of this outside of this article. --24.164.137.114 04:57, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

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In Britain, as the word 'yob' came out of the London back-slang and into more general English usage, it and latterly, 'yobbo' have meant 'working class, adolescent, male person'. Within his own culture, he was not necessarily seen as uncouth, though a person writing about him rather than speaking of him was likely to be of another social class and prone to seeing him as loutish.

It can be made much more concise.

Rintrah 05:55, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was no consensus. --BDD (talk) 18:38, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

• Yobbo → Yob
• Yob → Yob (disambiguation)

– The term is the primary topic and yob is more common form. RA (talk) 21:25, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose – no case has been presented for why this very ambiguous term should have a primary topic. Dicklyon (talk) 02:27, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

  Yob is a disambiguation page. There are only four items on that dab page that are titled "Yob". All four of them refer to this topic, making it a primary topic. They are:

  1. this page, about the term;
  2. a band named Yob, after the term
  3. a song titled Yob, after the term,
  4. an episode of a TV series titled "The Yob", after the term.

  Additionally, of these entires, the term itself is by far the most notable.

  Other things that appear on the dab page for "Yob" are items that are not actually called "Yob". For example, possible abbreviations of the Yoba language or "Year of birth", or people's surnames. These are either secondary terms for a dab page, or should not be there at all.

  So, of all the items on that dab page, the topic of this page, which is the term "Yob", is by far the primary topic. --RA (talk) 19:49, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

To make a case, you'd need to refer to the criteria at WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. I don't see it meeting the qualifications to be selected as primary topic. Dicklyon (talk) 22:48, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

There are no "criteria" for determining a primary topic. That is made clear at WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, which you link to. Additionally, your curt responses are unconstructive. See Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid on discussion pages. In particular, arguments without arguments. It would help, for example, if you said why you don't think this article is a primary topic. --RA (talk) 23:28, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

I don't think it's the primary topic because the term is multiply ambiguous, with no topic getting a great majority of the traffic, and no topic having any particular longterm significance. I don't buy the argument that one use is primary just because others derive from the same word or concept. Dicklyon (talk) 00:10, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

• "...because the term is multiply ambiguous..." All terms that are primary topics are ambiguous terms. See Wikipedia:Disambiguation.
• "... with no topic getting a great majority of the traffic..." This page get about twice the amount of traffic as Yob (band), about 20 times the amount of traffic as Yob (song), about 100 times the traffic as The Yob. In fact, this page gets more traffic than all of the possible dab terms combined.
• "... no topic having any particular longterm significance ..." The topic of this page has been in consistent use since 1859 and recorded in the OED since 1921. The topic of Yob (band) have never been signed to a major label and have never had a chart success. The topic of Yob (song) never charted and has no long-lasting critical significance. The topic of The Yob is a an otherwise insignificant episode of the series, The Comic Strip. This article receives about twice as much traffic as even The Comic Strip.

--RA (talk) 18:39, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

As it gets only about twice the traffic as the next most common use, and a bare majority of the total, I'd say it fails on usage. I remain unconvinced on signficance (perhaps because I've never heard of it and it seems to be just a slang term, not an important topic). Given WP:NOTDICT, it's not even clear why we have this article at all. Dicklyon (talk) 19:09, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

2:1 satisfies "much more likely than any other topic" and an overall majority satisfies "more likely than all the other topics combined". And a term in consistent use since the 19th century, and defined in the OED for over 90 years, satisfies "substantially greater enduring notability and educational value than any other topic associated with that term" compared to a doom metal band with no chart history.

Yes, it's a slang term. That doesn't make it an unimportant topic. But, more to the point, "primary topic" does not mean "important topic". None of the topics at Yob are likely be classed as "important". None-the-less, the reason I indicated that the competing "Yob" titles derive their name from this "Yob" is because that indicates significance of this topic within the realm of things called "Yob".

With regard to WP:NOTDICT, we have many article on terms. See the categories at the bottom of this article, for example. Additionally, see the third paragraph of WP:NOTDICT. --RA (talk) 12:36, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose. Primary meaning is debatable at best and probably depends on varieties of English. The existing natural disambiguation works well. Andrewa (talk) 22:32, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The current state

After the removal of some unsourced content, it read "...It is not unknown for a girl or woman to be described as a "yob" by the British media..."

I replaced it with "...A Yobbo or Yob is an informal british term for an aggressive young persone who is noisy and without manners...".

This article needs expanding. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 11:21, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Delete article?

What is the point of this slang definition? Why not delete or have a redirect to wiktionary? WP:NOTDIC Volunteer1234 (talk) 20:06, 6 September 2019 (UTC)