Talk:Yoʼnal Ahk III

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Review: November 13, 2014. (Reviewed version).

A fact from Yoʼnal Ahk III appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 17 November 2014 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that stele 14, erected by Yo'nal Ahk III, is considered one of the finest examples of niche stelae?

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GA Review

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Reviewer: 3family6 (talk · contribs) 15:46, 3 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose, no copyvios, spelling and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
Prose, both in the lead and in the article body, needs work. Comments:

"Yo'nal Ahk III was possibly the son of Itzam K'an Ahk II, and he ascended the throne upon his death." - Whose death - Yo'nal's or Itzam's?

"the former of which has been called one of the finest niche stelae by Simon Martin and Nikolai Grube." - Was it one of the finest niche stelae by Martin and Grube, or did Martin and Grube call it one of the finest niche stelae?

"Not much is known about his ruler, and his reign, along with that of his successor Ha' K'in Xook, has been referred to as "shadowy" by Flora Clancy,[3] and James L. Fitzsimmons argues that Yo'nal Ahk III seems to have been a weaker ruler when compared to the reign of Itzam K'an Ahk II because Yo'nal Ahk III erected few monuments, and he did not reinforce his power on a larger scale, choosing only to do so at local polities like El Cayo and La Mar.[4]" That's a mouthful of a sentence. It should be broken up into something like this: "Not much is known about his rule, or that of his successor Ha' K'in Xook. Flora Clanvy refers to both reigns as 'shadowy'.[3] James L. Fitzsimmons argues that Yo'nal Ahk III seems to have been a weaker ruler when compared to the reign of Itzam K'an Ahk II, as Yo'nal Ahk III erected few monuments and did not reinforce his power on a larger scale, choosing only to consolidate power at local polities such as El Cayo and La Mar.[4]"

"...it has been hypothesized that Yo'nal Ahk III's focus on smaller satellite kingdoms..." - Hypothesized by whom? The citations are to Martin and Grube, so just mention that they are the ones who hypothesized this.

"Only two monuments survive today that were erected by Yo'nal Ahk III. These include Stelae 14 and 16." - since these are the only stelae, rewrite as "Only two monuments survive today that were erected by Yo'nal Ahk III, Stelae 14 and 16."

"These names are difficult to translate because they are unique as to what is found in the extant Mayan glyphic texts.[8]" - I was confused during my first reading of this sentence. Rewrite to something along the lines of "These names are difficult to translate as many are unique and not found in any other extant Mayan glyphic texts.[8]"--¿3family6 _contribs 04:56, 10 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
Offline references approved AGF. The first author listed on all of the book sources is in caps - these should be changed to lowercase except for the first letter in their name.--¿3family6 _contribs 04:56, 10 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Also, authors should be linked to their Wikipedia articles, if they have one. I'm willing to help if needed.--¿3family6 _contribs 04:57, 10 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed.--¿3family6 _contribs 00:32, 13 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
The article is quite short, but it adequately addresses the subject at hand, and provides cultural and historical context. From briefly reviewing a few guidelines, I believe that this article satisfies all the basic requirements. It probably won't ever reach featured status, there's just not enough information there, but I believe that it qualifies as a GA.--¿3family6 _contribs 04:56, 10 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
Neutral, unbiased summary.--¿3family6 _contribs 04:56, 10 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
Highly stable, only one main contributor.--¿3family6 _contribs 16:05, 7 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Images check out. All free, with correct licensing info.--¿3family6 _contribs 16:05, 7 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Overall: Needs some fairly substantial proof-reading, but ok apart from that.--¿3family6 _contribs 04:56, 10 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Issues resolved. Passed.--¿3family6 _contribs 00:32, 13 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Pass/Fail:

Thanks for looking over this. I've patched up the prose issues. How does it look now?--Gen. Quon (Talk) 06:23, 10 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Looks much better, Gen. Quon. All that you need to do know is fix the author names of the references (shouldn't be in all caps).--¿3family6 _contribs 15:58, 10 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Is the author name thing a MoS issue? Almost all of the Mesoamerican pages have their authors written like that.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 16:28, 10 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Per MOS:CAPS, unnecessary capitalization should be avoided. I do not know why most of the Mesoamerican pages list the author-names in caps (someone way back probably started doing it and it became a precedent, but it's incorrect.--¿3family6 _contribs 16:55, 10 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging Gen. Quon in case they missed my latest comment.--¿3family6 _contribs 16:50, 12 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry! Got distracted. I have fixed the caps.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 23:53, 12 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

All set. GTG.--¿3family6 _contribs 00:32, 13 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]