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I have read that the Yemenite Jews are the only group to continue to have knowledge of which insects are kosher. Anyone know the details? Rmhermen 23:04, Mar 30, 2004 (UTC)
It is recorded in the Mishneh Torah L'Rambam the specifications as to what indicates certain locusts (grasshoppers) as being kosher. The basic difference between Yemenites and most other Jewish communities is that Yemenite Jews put the laws codified in the Mishneh Torah concerning kosher locusts into practice. I've heard that certain groups of Morrocan Jews also did so.
Greetings, I would appreciate IPA letters to show the difference between Sanaani and Sharabi "dialects". This involves Gimel (with and without Dagesh), and Kof. I also would appreciate IPA on "Sin" (dot above on left) as it is difficult to get sound data on it for Yemenite Hebrew. WRITTEN BY: amateur Hebrew student and author of http://e.domaindlx.com/hebrewtalk/hebrewtalk.htm
no diff in "dialects". just in nussach & minhag —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.167.23.50 (talk) 17:45, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
72.64.97.254 16:56, 4 July 2007 (UTC)ll−
Jewish - Muslim relationship in Yemen through time
After prophet Muhammad had expelled or killed all Jews who were then settled in what is now-days Saudi-Arabia
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.167.23.50 (talk) 17:52, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
Well, this just sounds like a very casual reference to one-sided story, making it seem that Muhammad persecuted Jews and was a Jewish hater. Muhammad didn't make the order of killing Jews. It was a man named Saad bin Muath whom Jews chose as an arbitrator and decision-maker. He ordered killing of men of one specific tribe due to their treason (Banu Qurayzah). There was an official order of Jews to be expelled, but at the same time, if there were literally no Jews left during Muhammad's life in present-day Saudi Arabia due to Muhammad's expulsion and killing of Jews, then why is it commonly known in Islamic History that when Muhammad died, his shield was mortgaged with a Jew few days before his death.
The writer needs to be clarified.
Yemen's last Jews set to flee country
This site: [Judaism is doomed in Yemen] talks about the end of judaism in Yemen.Agre22 (talk) 13:54, 14 August 2009 (UTC)agre22
Status of Jews in Yemen in 2020: On April 28,2020 Yemenite Minister Moammer al-Iryani remarked the fate of the last 50 Jews in Yemen is unknown[1]
A 2020 World Population Review with a Census of Jewish population by country has no listing of any Jews in Yemen. [2]
Languages: Yiddish
A recent article in the Jewish Chronicle [2] about Yemeni Jews preparing to be brought to London by Haredi Jews says: "They speak Yiddish, Hebrew and Arabic; some have learnt English." Can that Yiddish bit be correct? I can't imagine why they would speak Yiddish. BobFromBrockley (talk) 10:59, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
It may have been the result of the Heredim providing them with resources to learn Yiddish. I.e. indoctrinating them.--EhavEliyahu (talk) 11:19, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
Orphaned references in Yemenite Jews
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Yemenite Jews's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "CBS":
- From Israelis: Israel in Figures 2007, Israeli Central Bureau of Statistics, 2009.
- From Black Hebrew Israelites: Associated Press (April 5, 2006). "Music Earns Black Hebrews Some Acceptance". CBS News. Retrieved 2008-05-25.
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 04:44, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
Arab dating source
"In 1881, the French vice consulate in Yemen wrote to the leaders of the Alliance in France, that he read a book of the Arab historian Abu-Alfada, that the Jews of Yemen settled in the area in 1451 BC." According to Jewish chronology Israelites were at this time still in Egypt. Joseph (Biblical figure) died in 1452 BCE/2309. 2923–2963 Solomon reigns as king of Israel (1 Kings 26:42) and this time frame is far more likely --Meieimatai? 11:52, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
Claims of discrimination in Israel
I saw that some IP removed this claim though maybe unwarranted it really rise some questions Does any one here have some kind of source that verify this claim.It probably should be some poll that claims it.--Shrike (talk) 11:45, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
- As no one object I will remove this claim--Shrike (talk) 18:27, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
article in Haaretz - copyright violation
It is perfectly fine to use the recent Haaretz article, but the text someone inserted is copy-pasted with only one or two words changed. This is a copyright violation. Also it is just the introduction and not a great summary of the whole thing. Please paraphrase the information instead of copying. Zerotalk 01:07, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
persecution by islam
i fail to understand why all the history on this is left out without even a footnote mention on the english wiki. Jaakobou 15:40, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
- Mainly because the article is not in a finished state. If you have information you want to add please do. Thanks.--EhavEliyahu 04:25, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
- I'm not a Yemanite or a Yemenite Jews expert, but such attrocities as the Maoze exlie/genocide and the decree mentioned in the hope-simpson document should be in this article... i hope someone will either do the research or call out a relative for that information. Jaakobou 00:56, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
I knew a man, in Israel, who had personally experienced this. I knew him for many years and he was quite trustworthy. In addition, I personally knew an older couple who related to me how they were told to shower, prior to setting foot in Israel. While they were showering, their valuables, and traditional cloths, were stolen. Instead, they were given trousers and shirts. I also have a book (in Hebrew), that details the kidnappings and other atrocities. It includes much documentation. So these facts should not be in dispute. The name of the book is "On The Claws of Eagles". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rhayat (talk • contribs) 01:09, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Yeah knowing man is not a valid source. There is a discrimination in Yemen against Jews that's for sure but not to the level this article is mentioning. I'm surprised by the fact that nothing is mentioned about how Yemenite were treated when they first moved to Israel. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kendite (talk • contribs) 01:15, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
Mitchell Bard
The use of well known propagandist Mitchell Bard as a source is a very bad move for this article. Surely we can do better. Zerotalk 23:47, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
DNA
I fail to see the importance of speculating on the proportion of "sub-Saharan" (i.e. black African) genetic material. It is routinely included in DNA articles on Jews and treated almost as an infection.
Yaron —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.202.60.137 (talk) 00:11, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
It is included in the article due to it being a part of a DNA study where the question of Ethiopian Jewish migration was in question. There are some believe that maybe the Ethiopian Jews descend from Yemenite Jews who crossed over into Ethiopia. The DNA testing sheds light that this connection may not of been the case. What is being discussed is not a matter of disease, but of information about genetic testing and migrations of people. --EhavEliyahu (talk) 11:18, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
The article regarding Yemen Jews and DNA states:
DNA testing between Yemenite Jews and various other of the world's Jewish communities shows a common link, with most communities sharing similar paternal genetic profiles. Furthermore, the Y-chromosome signatures of the Yemenite Jews are also similar to those of other Middle Eastern populations.[DNA 1]
My question is: how can there be a common link between all Jewish communities paternal genetic profiles when it is a well-known fact that there was wholesale proselyzing by Jewish "missionaries" and a concomitant wide-spread conversion of significant gentile populations throughout the greater Mediterranean area during the period 200BCE-300CE? SanFranEditor (talk) 18:07, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
My question to SanFranEditor: What is your source for this "well-known fact"? Dr. Phillip M. Feldman (talk) 07:59, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
Mr. Philip the fact is archaeological evidence and the genetic proximity between Yemenite Jews and non Jewish Yemenite people that suggests a an Arabic/Bedouin origin for Yemenite Jews, paternal/maternal lineages make up a fraction of ones ancestry. As for the ancestors of the Ashkenazis and Sephardis, there's a very close genetic proximity between these and Italian populations, so much so that in most cases Ashkenazis and Sephardis cluster not in the Levant but in Italy, the result of this is a European component among Ashkenazis and Sephardis called K5, if K5 were to be removed then the Ashkenazis shift from Italians and Greeks to Druze and Lebanese Muslims, this suggests admixture between Jews and host European populations during the pre Christian Roman era. Here's my source in the case of the European ancestry of Ashkenazis/Sephardis: "http://digitalcommons.wayne.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1040&context=humbiol_preprints". As for the Arabic origin of Yemenite Jews, my source is the book, "The story of the Jews Volume 1" by Simon Schama, a known British historian who happens to have a Wikipedia page. Guy355 (talk) 16:53, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
Overlap with Jewish exodus article
Please see discussion at Talk:Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_and_Muslim_countries#Overlap_with_.22History_of_the_Jews_in....22_articles. Oncenawhile (talk) 10:11, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
Those are pictures of non-Yemenite jews
According to the first paragraph, most of the pictured people were not born in Yemen nor did they live in Yemen - thus are not Yemenite jews. Maybe the heading should say something like "Jews of a Yemen descent"? Gil_mo (talk) 19:50, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
Their ethnicity is Yemenite Jewish, therefore the head is fine. Guy355 (talk) 19:52, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
Massacre by dhu nawas
@Dougwaller: I have found the french source [3] but the problem I didn't found the number 22000.--Shrike (talk) 11:26, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
- I don't see it either, though my French is crap. That number was I think added by an anon here. We can use a number from another source; better yet a range of values from more than one source. Zerotalk 14:21, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
- @Shrike:, @Zero0000: Thanks all. I'm not surprised. I was going to come back to this to try to find something better, but the lawnmower called. And fix Najran also, right? Dougweller (talk) 14:43, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
- A more recent and more extensive French source is here. Zerotalk 15:24, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
- In the Introduction to Irfan Shahid's "Martyrs of Najran" he brings down divergent opinions as to the numbers of the slain. The most reliable account appears to be the letter from Simeon of Bayt Arsham. Requires further consideration and study. As often in cases like this, stories have a tendency of being embellished.Davidbena (talk) 15:32, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
Photo of Man Blowing the Shofar
User:Yobot, I rechecked the information and the correct date on the photo's caption and details should be February 1, 1947. Can I make the change without replacing the photo?Davidbena (talk) 20:57, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
- I think you talking with WP:BOT.--Shrike (talk) 04:19, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
Nephillath Panim - an incorrect External Link
Since there was an incorrect external link (since deleted) concerning the alleged custom of falling down on one's face during the prayer, I have opted to show the references which prove that the external link (since deleted) was inaccurate and misleading:
EXCERPT FROM MAHARITZ's "TIKLAL 'ETZ HAYIM," or YEMENITE PRAYER BOOK (SIDDUR) OF THE BALADI-RITE:
(Vol. I, page 74, folio B. Second Edition of 5731 anno mundi/1971 C.E.)
The practice of falling upon one's face (Nefillath Apayim) directly after standing in prayer in the morning and in the afternoon was always done in Yemen after the manner described in the Siddur (Prayer Book) of Rabbeinu Sa'adia Gaon. So writes Rabbi Yoseph Qafih in his Commentary on Maimonides' Mishne Torah (Hilkoth Tefillah 5:14), as also Rabbi Yoseph Subeiri in his book, "We-yitzbor Yoseph Bar," volume 1, chapter 13, section # 15, page 246. Since synagogues in Yemen were bare of chairs and furniture, the congregation sat upon cushions strewn across the floor against the wall, and when it came to making "Nefillath Apayim," they simply went down into a sitting posture, and then inclined their bodies to their left side, with one's full body weight and pressure being brought to bear on his left knee and thigh, while his right knee was bent over his left. This, as Maharitz describes in the following excerpt, was done while clasping one's left arm with his right. A man's face and head were entirely covered beneath his shawl (talith) while doing this, and held in the bend of his left arm.
"…And when he falls upon his left [side], let him not fall down upon his hands themselves, but rather opposite his arm. That is, let him clasp [his] left arm with his right, and fall upon his left [side] (cf. book "Or Hayashar"). And know assuredly that there is no difference between Nefillath Apayim on one's left side in the morning [prayer] and in the afternoon [prayer]. A man ought always to do so, unlike Rabbi Moshe Iserlische, and this is our custom, as well as what appears to be the opinion of our teacher, [even] the Rabbi, Yoseph Karo, and the expositors of our laws."
המקור
". . . וכשנופל על שמאל לא יפול על ידיו עצמן אלא נגד זרועו דהיינו שיחבק זרוע שמאל בימין ונופל על השמאל (ס' אה"י). ודע שאין חילוק בנפילת פנים על צד שמאל בין בשחרית בין במנחה. לעולם יעשה כן דלא כרמ"א וכן מנהגינו וכן משמעות מהריק"א ופוסקים."
EXCERPT FROM MAHARITZ's Code of Jewish Law, known as "PISQEI MAHARITZ," Vol. I, Hilkoth Nefillath Apayim, item # 2
(Maharitz describes the way Nefillath Apayim was done immediately following the prayer.)
"The emissary of the congregation (Shaliah Sibbur) then sits and bows down. Now the manner of bowing is that he puts his left knee upon the ground, in the way in which he leans, and then bends his right knee over it, in the way in which he crouches, so that he is half-crouching and half-sitting. Likewise, the congregation does [exactly] like him."
המקור
יושב שליח ציבור ומשתחוה. ואופן ההשתחויה, שיניח ברכו השמאלית על הארץ כדרכה כשהוא מוטה, ומקפל ברכו הימינית עליה כדרכה כשהוא כורע ויהא כחציו כורע וחציו יושב. וכן יעשו הציבור כמותו
I hope these citations will allay all doubts, if there were any.Davidbena (talk) 10:36, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
The well placed sources for the Arab/Israelite heritage of Yemenite Jews
I'll explain, the first source [sources 1] shows that Yemenite Jews plot next to Saudis and Bedouins. The 2nd link [sources 2] shows that Yemenite Jews form a cluster with their host populations, and the third link [sources 3] shows the Jewish kingdom that existed in Yemen and had many converts. Guy355 (talk) 07:21, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
From the Haaretz study I referenced:
"Also, Yemenite Jews, who have long been thought to have lived in isolation, apparently have genetic connections with people from neighboring states." Guy355 (talk) 11:51, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
edit warring over genetic section
Judea613 please stop adding content along the lines of "Even though the vast majority of Yemenite Jews are descended from the Israelites" to the section on genetics, without bringing a source. You have done this now three times ( one; two; and three). Please stop adding unsourced content. See WP:VERIFY. It is also WP:OFFTOPIC off topic for this section. If you continue, you will be blocked. Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 01:14, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
Query - Tihamah expulsion
I'm not sure why there's no mention of historical pogroms and expulsions on the article. Surely the Muza exile, for example, is a notable event.[4] JaakobouChalk Talk 23:19, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
- There is currently an article on WP entitled Mawza exile. It is also mentioned here in the main article on Yemenite Jewry. Be well. Davidbena (talk) 20:18, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
Daily Beast article mentions what's happening to Yemenite Jews
I found:
- Pell, Barry. "The Sad Decline of Yemen, the Best Country You’ll Never Get to See" (Archive). The Daily Beast. September 27, 2015.
WhisperToMe (talk) 15:22, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
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King Yusuf Asaar Yathar is not Dhu Nuwas
dhu nuwas is a myth never mentioned in the yemeni inscriptions while king yusuf asar yathar is mentioned
the myth of dhu nuwas & burning the christians of najran is a story created by ibn ishaq persian historian who was never lived in that period, the story is based on quranic verses (اصحاب الاخدود) believers been burned in hole but those verses did not specify the location and who burned them but the verse mentione the reason why they killed {وما نقموا منهم إلا أن يؤمنوا باللّه العزيز الحميد} because they believe in god, the himyaris also believe in god (rahman)
there is no evidence on historical christian presence in najran (raqamat) all the monuments and inscriptions discovered in najran (raqamat) shows that najran (raqamat) inhabitants were pagans who worshiped attar and wadd (god of love) (1 2), and later converted to islam in muhammad era, there was jewish presence in najran until 1948 year
the king yusuf asar yathar inscription was discovered in najran (1 2 3 4) tells about the victories of king yusuf in dhofar, mokha, najran and the numbers of dead and captured abyssinian troops and the names of the tribes which helped king yusuf (hamedan, madh'hij, kindah, murad, dhi yazan) nothing about burning christians in najran
i demand to modified the article based on historical inscriptions not on myths and stories, king yusuf asar yathar is not dhu nuwas mythological character — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.28.164.138 (talk) 13:14, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
problems with accuracy
The "Operation Magic Carpet" section ties the emigration of the Yemeni Jews to the massacre in Aden. This is not historically accurate since Aden was not even part of Yemen at the time. It had been under British rule for more than 100 years. --Zero 05:00, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
- The addition of the riots in Aden was only added to describe the conditions of the times in the region. You can edit the wording if you feel there is a need for some clarification. --EhavEliyahu 21:01, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
- I will do that later (I'm 10K miles from home and have no time now). My objection is that the riots in Aden do not describe the conditions of the time in Yemen. In fact there was very little violence in Yemen at that time. --Zero 03:08, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
There are 40 Jews in Yemen? That doesn't sound believable. Why would we have an article about 40 people?Greeninventor999 (talk) 04:07, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
Jews originated in Yemen?
I have run into accounts of a local Yemen tradition in several academic journals. Unlikely as it seems, it states that Jews originated in the Yemen, and much of their history is mythological. It pops up occasionally in the West, too. For example, the British author Dennis Wheatley seems to have thought it was true. He used it in his war paper "The Sword of Gideon" (written during WWII to advise the British how to prosecute the war in the Arab world and get the Jews on board too).
That some in Yemen hold this belief seems worth a mention. 2600:1010:B064:9D1B:1C77:A71E:2D4C:2961 (talk) 04:06, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
- There are plenty of historical records that deny this unfounded view held by some "local Arabs." Not all Yemenite Jews are of local Arab stock. In fact, some Yemenite Jews still possess family pedigrees showing their ancestry, going as far back as to several of the tribes of Israel. Here, in WP articles, we stand by the more credible records and shun the fringe views. That said, there was, indeed, a time when Sabaean kings in Yemen converted to Judaism. Dhu Nuwas was a descendant of these kings. According to one historical source, Jewish priests from Tiberias were his counselors.Davidbena (talk) 04:50, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
Splitting article
This article is getting waaaay too long.
I suggest splitting it into two or three articles. One possibility would be to have a separate article for "History of the Jews in Yemen", containing most of the first half of this article, just as there are separate articles for Syrian Jews and History of the Jews in Syria etc. I see that this was suggested in 2008!
There could even be a third article for "Religious traditions of the Yemenite Jews", like the existing Sephardic law and customs. --Sir Myles na Gopaleen (the da) (talk) 10:13, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
- History is always an integral part of any ethnic group or community. Perhaps though we could condense in size the two sections that treat on (1) Early history and (2) Jewish-Muslim relations in Yemen. So, too, the section entitled "DNA testing" seems to be far too long. It too should be condensed in size.Davidbena (talk) 20:30, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
Yemenite or Yemeni?
Why is the article called "Yemenite Jews" and not "Yemeni Jews"? Is there a difference? Jidan 11:26, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
- In English Teimanim are normally called Yemenite. There aren't a whole lot of people that say Yemeni Jews.--EhavEliyahu 19:15, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
- The form Yemeni is more used in British English and the form Yemenite is more used in American English. Both forms are usable. -- Olve 20:24, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
- I believe that Yemenite is the English term while Yemeni is the Arabic term. The Hebrew term being Temani (notice the 'ni' at the end as opposed to 'nite') -- 22:53, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
- Actually, I believe in Arabic would be pronounced Yamani not Yemeni.--EhavEliyahu 23:56, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
- Actually, I believe that in Arabic the word would be يمني . so in the long run, transliteration isn't worth arguing about. --Kızılderili 02:25, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
- Greetings Kizilderili. It isn't an arguement just a clarification. I agree that in Arabic it is spelled ﻲﻨﻤﻳ but the transliteration would still be "Yamani" or "Yamaneyy" depending on what school of transliteration you go by. Just as "Al-Yaman" i.e. Yemen is spelled ﻦﻤﻴﻟﺍ The vowel in the word is "a" i.e. Fatha. Not debating, just clarifying.--EhavEliyahu 07:28, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
- No problem, Ehav. I agree with you on the point of actual pronunciation. But, given that in English, the word is pronounced as with the letter e, and not a short a, that's probably the msot logical way to refer to them in an "Arabic" context....I'm not sure if that made any sense...--Kızılderili 16:56, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
Yemenite usually used for thoes who have roots in Yemen but they don't live in Yemen and Yemenite has an equivalent in Arabic which is يماني Yam'ani while Yemeni in Arabic is يمني Yameni I suggest the following: if this article is about Yemeni Jews who are not living in Yemen then it should be "Yemenite Jews" and if it's about Yemeni Jews who are living in Yemen then it should be Yemeni Jews and if its about both it should be named "Yemeni Jews" since its a general term for both of them SharabSalam (talk) 11:46, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
Please rename the article I have a reason
It seems that most of you don't know why some use the term "Yemenite" and not "Yemeni". well first of all the term was used by Israeli government because people who have Israeli citizenship can't be describe as "Yemeni" because they are no longer Yemeni citizens just like Americans who have German roots don't call themselves Germans but Americans, so Yemeni Jews who have an Israeli citizenship are called Israelis, AND because they have a different culture than most of other Israelis they were called Yemenite instead of Yemeni in the topics of culture and roots, here is my point, the article is about Yemeni Jews who live in Yemen and outside Yemen so the perfect term to use is Yemeni not Yemenite because "Yemeni Jews" describes the whole general idea of the article, beside The term has nothing to do with British English and American English, both dialects use the term Yemeni to describe Yemeni citizens who live in Yemen with a Yemeni citizenship, Thank you! SharabSalam (talk) 12:03, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
Using the term "Hero"
Using the term "hero" is against wikipedia rules SharabSalam (talk) 07:48, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
- Where have you found its use in this article?Davidbena (talk) 14:37, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
- It was used in a section heading but it's gone now. Zerotalk 15:10, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
Jewish Yemenite DNA
One point in which Yemenite Jews appear to differ from Ashkenazi Jews and most Near Eastern Jewish communities is in the proportion of sub-Saharan African maternally-transferred gene types (mitochondrial DNA, or mtDNA) which have entered their gene pools. One study found that some Arabic-speaking populations—Palestinians, Jordanians, Syrians, Iraqis, and Bedouins—have what appears to be substantial mtDNA gene flow from sub-Saharan Africa, amounting to 10-15% of lineages within the past three millennia. In the case of Yemenites, the average is actually higher at 35%. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.127.67.82 (talk) 16:08, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
- Haplogroups are near worthless when it comes to determining ethnicity. Autosomally the Yemenite Jews are essentially pure Arabs and not particularly Levantine i.e. Jew. Even if 35% of their maternal linages are of sub-Saharan origin, autosomally the SSA admixture is much lower (under 8%).176.46.76.166 (talk) 19:02, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
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The image uploaded is seen here. The owner has sent her written permission to have it uploaded and used by all freely.Davidbena (talk) 14:41, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
Talbis
Last night I attended a Yemenite Jewish wedding. The invitation informed me I would be attending a "Talbis", but when I googled this could not find any information whatsoever. The custom pertains only to the community of Aden. I believe it should be documented on the web, so I added it to the end of the Yemenite wedding customs section. The picture at http://www.bhol.co.il/article.aspx?id=28876 might be uploadable, but I don't know for sure if it's not copyright - the Hebrew article gives no name to the photographer but it is a news website. Yael U (talk) 05:23, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
- ^ "Yemen minister says fate of country's last 50 Jews unknown". The Times of Israel. Retrieved 23 June 2020.
- ^ "Jewish Population by country". worldpopulationreview.com accessed 23 June 2020. Retrieved 23 June 2020.