Talk:Xavier Nady

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Xavier Nady Middle Name

In the top line, his name is listed as Xavier Clifford Nady VI, but his son is Xavier Henry Nady VII. Wouldn't his son have to have the same middle name to be continued with a number? Is it Clifford or Henry? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.24.134.229 (talk) 19:15, 10 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Xavier Nady Song

A song called "The Ballad of X" by a group called "Kuff and the Buttheads" is a tribute to Xavier Nady's short stint with the New York Mets. For some time a reference to the song existed in the trivia section of Xavier Nady's wikipedia article. Recently the trivia was deleted because it was deemed irrelevant, and had no pertinence to Xavier Nady's baseball career. I disagree, and I was told to air my argument on this discussion board. I would assume that the majority of people reading Xavier Nady's wikipedia entry would be Xavier Nady fans and thus would be delighted to learn that a song about him exists, and can be found on the internet. Several biographical entries on Wikipedia include references to songs written about the biographical subjects, but for some reason, whether it be the relative unpopularity of the song, this reference was deleted. Please post to let me know if you agree that at least a reference, and not a link, to the song should exist on Xavier Nady's Wikipedia entry, since the song is a tribute to Xavier and thus holds relevance in relation to his baseball career. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.52.58.130 (talk • contribs)

For one this wiki page won't be just for Xavier Nady fans but for anybody looking for information on Xavier Nady/Pittsburgh Pirates. It is because wikipedia is an open and free encyclopedia that a neutral point of view must be adhered to at all times. Bias is for blogs and fan pages. If you are going to post that he has a tribute song then I would highly suggest adding references/citation for this. If it has been removed before it might be because the band is not very notable (doesn't have it's own wikipedia page), can't be verified, or it was posted and did not conform to NPOV. When citing sources please keep in mind that a blog is usually not an acceptable reference. Wikipedia:Citing sources, Wikipedia:Reliable sources, and Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons should help you in finding the proper source. Hope this helps. --ImmortalGoddezz 18:02, 6 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My feelings are that the song itself is not particularly relevant to Nady, since there is no evidence to believe that the song is of particular public significance, either to Nady or to the community of baseball fans at large. Further, Nady's no longer with the Mets and is now with the Pirates, further reducing the significance of the song. I do not believe that the reference to the song belongs. --Nlu (talk) 20:25, 6 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If the song has the proper sources, and reliable ones (Not myspace), I don't see what the problem with keeping the references to the song in. This wiki page is about the baseball player Xavier Nady, not just Xavier Nady while he was with the Pittsburgh Pirates. I believe until proper references are found the information should be deleted as per WP:BIO, if proper referencing is found then I don't have a problem with it being in. As the original poster said plenty of other pages have references to songs that were composed for them. See: List of songs about famous people. --ImmortalGoddezz 14:07, 7 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I took a look at the MySpace page. The group that created the song is not itself notable. With that being the case, I think inserting reference to the song basically is vanity and spam. --Nlu (talk) 16:38, 7 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

When did Wikipedia become the judge and jury as to what constitutes a notable band? There are several bands out there that neither myself nor you have probably ever heard of, yet this does not make them non notable. The song in question here was written by a Met fan whom I would suppose is also a big fan of Xavier Nady's. Xavier Nady, as you have pointed out before, only played as a Met for a short time, yet during that short time, 75 games to be exact, he managed to endear himself to Mets fans, who admired and respected him for his hard work and his laid back, easy going attitude. He was referred to as the X-Man by his manager, his teammates and New York Metropolitan fans. During his time in New York, he contributed several clutch hits which led to victories for the New York Mets. His trade was the result of a freak cab accident involving Duaner Sanchez, which Kuff and the Buttheads mention in the song, and the majority of Met fans were dismayed and upset by the trade. Xavier himself alluded to being frustrated with the trade in several interviews, having gone from a first place team headed to the playoffs to a last place team that has long occupied the cellar of the National league. The song echoes that frustration, and stands as an ode to Xavier's time with the Mets and his sad departure from the Mets. I understand removing the link to the song, as I am sure it probably violates some wikipedia rule, but removing the trivia itself does a grave disservice to fans of Baseball, Xavier Nady and loyal wikipedia readers worldwide.

Fatthand9 02:10, 8 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You're here on Wikipedia, and you have to play by Wikipedia's rules. Whatever other communities, online or otherwise, might judge as notable or not notable, here on Wikipedia, the community of Wikipedians judge by Wikipedia's standards what's notable and what's not notable. You don't get to dictate to us. --Nlu (talk) 04:37, 8 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Request for Comment: Xavier Nady song

This is a dispute as to the inclusion of a song about Xavier Nady on his Wikipedia page

Statements by editors previously involved in dispute

Though only appearing in a New York Mets uniform for a brief 75 games, Nady proved popular enough with local fans to inspire a song "Ballad of the X" documenting his short time with the team.Fatthand9 17:59, 8 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

07:28, 7 September 2006 Nlu (Talk|contribs) m (re-re-revert after some thought; as it stands, it is effectively spam and link to non-notable band)

Comments

I, Fatthand9, agreed with Nlu that the link should be removed but disagreed with him, arguing that the mention of the song should stay.
Nlu countered that the band was not notable and the song bore no relevance to his career as a baseball player, and thus should be striked from the page.

Argument

It is my belief that a mention of this song should be included in Nady's biography because it echoes the fans frustration at his sudden surprising trade from the Mets, as well as providing a brief, somewhat exaggerated, chronicle of his time with the Mets, therefore it bears relevance to his career as a baseball player.
Furthermore, Wikipedia's standards on what is and is not notable are very cloudy and the ultimate decision rests on the Wikipedia community.
Wikipedia provides the perfect medium for trivia such as this, a rare, yet extremely passionate ode to a slugging rightfielder, to be disseminated. With so few songs about modern baseball players, it is encouraging to know that some exist, and "The Ballad of X" deserves a mention on this page.

17:59, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Saw the RFC and came on by and here's my take: The song should be included only if 1) it is by a band which meets the Wikipedia inclusion requirements of WP:MUSIC or 2) the song has been mentioned in mainstream media coverage of Nagy. Gamaliel 19:13, 8 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Another RFC response. It is necessary to source the statement about the song to a reliable source. Myspace is not a reliable source. Blogs are not reliable sources. Absent any evidence of reliable sourcing, any statement about the song can be removed. If there is reliable sourcing, the issue is one for a consensus of editors, and I decline to comment upon that at this time, since I see above no evidence of reliable sourcing. I will, however, note that the citation should be to the reliable source, and that any link to the song should adhere to the guidelines at Wikipedia:External links. It is possible that a link to the song could meet those tests; a link to the performers website generally would certainly not meet those guidelines. GRBerry 22:12, 8 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The inclusion of this song by a band that likely flunks WP:BAND due to minor notability in some blogs is pretty clear cut band vanity and should be removed from the page. Wikipedia does not exist to publicize some song. youngamerican (ahoy-hoy) 03:31, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

the entire statement in the article surrounding the song is problematic. "The trade shocked several fans who thought Nady had been a valuable part of the team" - these are all subjective and value judgements. Who and what constitute "several fans"? The use of the word "shocked" borders on idiomatic language, and "valuable part of the team" is also problematic, vague, subjective, and borderline idiomatic. These are legitimate areas that should be addressed if people want this bit included, so instead of edit warring and chidlishly adding and re-adding this material there needs to be significant modification - remember the onus is ON YOU if you want to include material. It must be worded appropriately, reliably cited, and justifiably important and notable. Tjrover (talk) 00:57, 21 July 2009 (UTC)tjrover[reply]

Request for Comment: Relationship to boxing referee Jay Nady

Xavier is his nefew. Also, you may want to mention his marital status etc. 12.24.60.12 15:35, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The song should be added. It is about Xavier Nady's career. Upon further researching, the band's lesser-known status (only sparingly known throughout the Met fan community) is a moot point. Putting the song on this website does not increase the band's notoriety and as such, it doesn't seem that the group's members would benefit from adding that a song has been written about Xavier Nady. How many baseball players have SONGS written about them anyway? If I was Xavier Nady, I would want to know if there was a song with my name on it.69.121.200.59 19:30, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Trade to the Yankees

The Pirates have traded Xavier Nady to the Yankees so I am changing Xavier Nady's team. http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080725&content_id=3193664&vkey=trade2008&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb —Preceding unsigned comment added by RG415WBFA (talk • contribs) 00:45, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

See [1] It will not be until medical clearence will be granted on all players, that it will be official. --JForget 01:00, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The trade has been confirmed by the Yankees. http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AmWs26MY_YcD8Hea6JjrmQ8RvLYF?slug=ap-pirates-yankeestrade&prov=ap&type=lgns —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yankee535 (talk • contribs) 17:32, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Surgery

His surgery is listed twice, in two consecutive paragraphs. Any chance that can be cleaned up a little bit? It looks a little sloppy. Kjscotte34 (talk) 13:05, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Request for edit: San Diego Padres

It should be noted that Nady was the last player to date to jump straight to the major leagues, doing so in 2000 (his first minor league time came in 2001, he logged one at bat with the major league Padres in 2000, hitting a single). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.66.240.146 (talk) 16:07, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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