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A fact from Women in Etruscan society appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 11 September 2023 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that frescoes, sarcophagi, urns, and trousseaux found in the tombs of Etruscan women (bust pictured) show the important roles they played in society?

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The result was: promoted by Cielquiparle (talk) 08:21, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Etruscan woman in terracotta

... that the importance of women in the Etruscan society (pictured) showed an evidence in the archaeological pieces found in the tombs, such as frescoes, sarcophagi, urns, and funerary trousseaux (all prestigious goods within a tomb)? Source: Briquel, Dominique (2005). Les Étrusques. Paris, Presses Universitaires de France. p. 76. ISBN 978-2-13-053314-6.
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Created by Gabrielaalondra (talk). Nominated by JeBonSer (talk) at 04:21, 1 June 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Women in the Etruscan society; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
Interesting:
Other problems: - English needs to be smoothed out.

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Solid article. AGF on offline sources. Earwig checks out. Hook might be good, but is too long; it is also written in somewhat idiosyncratic English and needs to be rewritten for clarity. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 17:24, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The proposed hook is too long as noted above, and it also contains a parenthetical phrase, which is not allowed unless it's "(pictured)" or the like. So work still needs to be done, though I have made the necessary fixes to the nomination page template since someone moved it (which should not be done). BlueMoonset (talk) 00:27, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... that the importance of women in Etruscan society (pictured) showed an evidence in the archaeological pieces found in its tombs? JeBonSer ^{(talk | sign)} 07:11, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- The alt is still difficult to understand. (Did you mean "in evidence"? Even so, the sentence still doesn't quite make sense.) @BlueMoonset: I know I was the first to review this, but would it be OK for me to step down in order to help fix the article and resubmit a usable ALT? If so, would you be able to review? —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 20:19, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  - CurryTime7-24, while I won't be able to review, you can certainly call for a new reviewer once you've made the article fixes and added a usable ALT hook to this page. Many reviewers suggest ALT hooks and a new reviewer has to be found to check the hook and approve it (or not). Thanks for being willing to work on article and hook! BlueMoonset (talk) 20:24, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  - ALT2: ... that archaeological pieces found in Etruscan tombs are showing evidences that the women in Etruscan society (pictured) were important in those times?
  - @CurryTime7-24: ALT2 is on the way. JeBonSer ^{(talk | sign)} 03:09, 21 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

NOTE: I have performed some copyediting. One change, however, I am not sure about. I am not clear if the early mention of "attest to the influence of women" is by people, or portraiture. The original text could be read either way, especially in the case of Velia, which seems to have little mention (although I'm only passingly familiar with Pliny). This could use a little additional hunting about. Overall, still needs work. Maury Markowitz (talk) 15:42, 30 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Maury Markowitz: So if I understand right you are just commenting not reviewing. So i will review this article. Chidgk1 (talk) 09:04, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Chidgk1: Correct - however I still think the article needs work before we should put it up. Maury Markowitz (talk) 13:01, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for delay. I expect to have lots of time to look at this from Sunday onwards Chidgk1 (talk) 11:30, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

ALT3: ... the significance of women in Etruscan society (pictured) is evident through archaeological artifacts discovered in tombs? Significa liberdade (talk) 01:31, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

JeBonSer (talk · contribs) sorry for delay - I hope to have plenty of time now - please could you clarify the points above and those I have tagged. Also please could you fix the harv errors (if you cannot see the errors please ask). Chidgk1 (talk) 06:40, 14 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think we can do a little better than the hooks suggested above. How about

ALT4: ... that frescoes, sarcophagi, urns, and trousseaux all found in their tombs show the importance of women in the Etruscan society (pictured)? Source: Briquel, Dominique (2005). Les Étrusques. Paris, Presses Universitaires de France. p. 76. ISBN 978-2-13-053314-6.

(please link trousseaux above to correct meaning as I was not sure) Chidgk1 (talk) 07:19, 14 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Chidgk1:

Fixed. JeBonSer ^{(talk | sign)} 11:00, 19 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@JeBonSer: thanks - what do you think about the hook? Chidgk1 (talk) 11:07, 19 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the current new hook. JeBonSer ^{(talk | sign)} 11:12, 19 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@CurryTime7-24: I think JeBonSer means they like ALT4 - but I am not allowed to approve a hook I wrote myself - are you happy with it and if so can you approve it? Chidgk1 (talk) 11:19, 19 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@JeBonSer: Please could you clarify at the three places I have tagged as clarification needed Chidgk1 (talk) 11:25, 19 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Chidgk1 (talk) 11:28, 19 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It has been three months since this was nominated, and that's really too long. Giving seven days to wrap this up; if nominator JeBonSer has not been heard from and/or has not dealt with the three "clarification needed" tags in the article, I will mark this nomination for closing. Pinging previous reviewer CurryTime7-24 one last time to see whether they will be returning to look at ALT4, which was proposed by Chidgk1; I don't see a response to my prior ping over two months ago. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:49, 31 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@BlueMoonset and Chidgk1:

Resolved and clarified. JeBonSer ^{(talk | sign)} 02:40, 2 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

UTC) Great thanks Chidgk1 (talk) 05:29, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@BlueMoonset: Could you approve ALT4 as I guess I cannot as I wrote it? Chidgk1 (talk) 05:20, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sources need improvement

The sources used in the article, which is a translation of a French Wikipedia article created 13 years ago, are a bit outdated and not always the best sources that could be used to. --Tursclan (talk) 13:57, 1 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]