Talk:Woman of the Apocalypse

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Description of the woman

I think that this sentence might be changed or removed: <<She is described as wearing a white dress and blue mantle while crushing a serpent under her foot.>> because in the Bible there is no refer to a blue mantle or to a snake. Simply check, you won't find anything about it. The citation of this not-biblical blue mantle and of the serpent can make people think more firmly that the woman of the Apocalypse is a symbol for the Virgin Mary, wich in fact she is not, because of the common representation of Mary wearing a blue mantle and crushing a serpent under her feet. Thank you. Excuse me for my English, that may be incorrect. -- 11:06, 3 March 2007 87.9.160.236

Your comment is biased, as you are saying the woman is NOT the Virgin Mary. Catholic tradition (catholics, anglicans, and orthodox) hold the belief that the woman is indeed the Virgin Mary. The Blue mantle and white gown is not true, as she is described as being crowned with 12 stars and clothed with the sun. --Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 03:18, 9 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, the bias appears to be trying to prove the truth by the use of Catholic tradition. --KitchM (talk) 22:42, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Revision

I revised the article--some of the Biblical verses were inaccurate (passages that had nothing to do with what was mentioned), and I removed the biblicist.org reference (listed as #4) about Catholicism, since it seems to be an anti-Catholic website; it refers to Catholicism as "Romanism," a very insulting term for the Church. As such, I don't think it's entirely trustworthy as a reference.64.106.85.203 (talk) 11:30, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The reference right after about Pope Pius XII works well as a reference, I don't see why Biblicist.org was used. Ian.thomson (talk) 12:59, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

2014

I have cut out the following sentence from the text, but I am re-posting it here because whilst it is not encyclopedia-worthy, it may be a valid point for discussion. 146.199.223.196 (talk) 00:17, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"The book Of revelation is the happening in heaven before the birth of Jesus Christ himself, so i don't see how this chapter 12 relates to virgin Mary rather it should have been seen as Isreal and the twelve stars as the twelve tribes of Isreal."

Inconsistency

There's a slight inconsistency - the top of the article refers to the Catholic Church claiming the Woman is the Church, while the relevant section claims that various Popes affirmed it to be Mary! 89.240.137.19 (talk) 01:17, 14 February 2010 (UTC)Pazuzu Lisle[reply]

The Catholic Church holds that Mary is the Mother of the Church, and a Mirror of Christ (as the Church is the Mirror of Christ), so Mary and the Church are one-in-the-same, in a manner of speaking. --Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 00:26, 10 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that is confusing. The Scriptures indicate that a woman is a church and there are opposing churches represented in the book of Revelation. Calling the woman Mary is non-Biblical. --KitchM (talk) 22:48, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Woman clothed with the sun

Anyone know who the "woman clothed with the sun" is. It is referred to in the famous Irish hymn "Lady of Knock" and my daughter, when she meditates, often see her and talks with her. I am told the "woman clothed with the sun" is a heavenly master. my daughter says the woman is all in gold and shines. she is a master of peace, i believe. her messages are of peace and healing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.15.66.154 (talk) 03:10, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Woman Clothed With the Sun is the Woman of the Apocalypse, sometimes depicted as Our Lady of Guadalupe. --Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 03:16, 9 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In the Scriptures, a church is represented as a woman. In this case, it is God's true church. This is as opposed to the other woman in Revelation. --KitchM (talk) 22:44, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

New Ark of the Covenant

The Catholic traditions hold that the Woman of the Apocalypse, being the Virgin Mary, is the New Ark of the Covenant. Should this be mentioned in the article? --Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 03:20, 9 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If you've got a source, good idea. Ian.thomson (talk) 03:26, 9 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I added Rev. 11:19, which precedes this pericope, because it is very relevant to the following description in 12:1-18. InFairness (talk) 10:13, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Woman in Art?

I would like to see a section about her representations in art. Woman Clothed in the Sun is a frequently recurring theme, from the medieval Betus codices to the more modern William Blake. What do y'all think? Rose M. Welch 14:03, 26 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Interpretations - Church

A "Church interpretation" may be also supported with Revelations 17:9 "The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sits." which would indicate a Rome-based church (Roman Catholic Church). Rome is known as a city of seven hills. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.78.246.146 (talk) 00:26, 16 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

KJV

Can we change the Bible verses to KJV?--78.156.109.166 (talk) 09:19, 19 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Patristic Interpretation

I think it would be valuable to include a separate section on the history of interpretation of the passage. I see a section mentioning Epiphanius, but it falls up under the "History" mentioning only the "Marian" interpretation. I would think that the Fathers had a bit of variety in interpreting this passage. It should also be a separate section, in my opinion, not under the Catholic section. THIS IS MY FIRST TIME POSTING ANYTHING SO PLEASE EXCUSE ME IF I HAVE ENTERED THIS IN THE WRONG PLACE! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Birdchest (talk • contribs) 19:08, 10 May 2018 (UTC) I wrote the preceding and am adding a signature. Totally new to this. Birdchest (talk) 19:15, 10 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Patrona Hungariae

@Dr.Veterinary.Hun: Please do not push your POV with this painting. Could you show ANY sources which connect ANY instances of Patrona Hungariae as "Woman of the Apocalypse", but specifically as you are stated that the moon and sun is special on this painting of Szoldatits, there should be any artistic info that this painting is about Woman of the Apocalypse. Thanks. JSoos (talk) 17:52, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]