Talk:Winter Garden Theatre

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In what way is this article part of Wikiproject Broadway? As far as can be determined, it predates that project by a year, and the only change made to it since Wikiproject Broadway has started has been to edit a category.- Nunh-huh 02:45, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

With regard to SFTVLGUY2's changes:

• [1] assuming there were such a thing as an illegitimate Broadway theatre (there isn't), why should that distinction be made in the first sentence? And yet more frankly, as the historical home of revues and follies, the term "legitimate" is misapplied to the Winter Garden. Buildings are not "legitimate theatres"; rather what plays there either is or is not.
• [2] the information on all Winter Garden Theatres belongs here. If you want to create a separate article for each go ahead and do it. But don't simply delete information.
• [3] the accepted date format per the Wikipedia style guide is [[February 28]], [[1955]], not [[February 28]] [[1955]]. - Nunh-huh 20:03, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Your comments suggest you have no background in theatre. Please refer to a dictionary for the definition of "legitimate theatre." The term refers to both what is presented onstage and the building that houses it. And the Winter Garden's past history has no bearing on what it is in 2007, which is a legitimate theatre, and describing it as such is accurate. And I will delete information that's not related to the article's subject matter - that's an editor's responsibility. Should an article about Springfield, Illinois reference every Springfield in the US? Of course not, and neither should an article about the Winter Garden Theatre reference other venues with the same name simply because they had the same name. Had they shared the same site or ownership, then the reference would be appropriate. SFTVLGUY2 20:21, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Again, you have no idea of my background. The theatres share the same name, and articles here are organized by name, not geographic location. I've done what you should have, and placed the information on a disambiguation page. And the article is not about the Winter Garden Theatre in 2007, but its entire history. Your comments suggest that you are preoccupied with recent history. I'll leave the "legitimate" even though it's fundamentally silly, as though there were a bevy of burlesque houses we are seeking to distinguish the Winter Garden from. - Nunh-huh 20:47, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Merger proposal

Seems like The Winter Garden Theatre is a history of the theater and such. Is there anything there worth merging? — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 04:51, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Merger not appropriate

Thank you for your prompt response to my article (of the original Winter Garden Theatre) but I urge against merging these two sections; they only share a name, but are two entirely different theatres, separated in time by over sixty years, and by location by one third of Manhattan. The history of the earlier theatre is quite distinct from the new Winter Garden in every way, which is why I spent some time researching and developing it. For one thing, the earlier Winter Garden has a major connection to the Booth brothers, and also to the prelude to the assassination of President Lincoln, which I would like to expand rather substantially at a later time. To merge these two articles would blur that profound connection of this earlier theatre to such important events with a modern "Broadway theatre", and therefore do injustice to a subjuect of great importance in American history.

Having worked some time on the article on the 19th century Winter Garden, and determining that one could determine between two entirely different theatres with the same name, the article appears to have vanished. Can someone direct me to where the article ended up?

Weimar03 (talk) 05:16, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the article, which looks great, by the way. I've restored it at The Winter Garden Theatre for now, but it probably needs a different name. Either Winter Garden Theatre (1850) or Tripler Hall, or Old Winter Garden Threatre, or however it's most commonly referred to by historians.--Pharos (talk) 05:29, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Hmm... it appears Winter Garden Theatre (1850) already exists, though that version is very little developed. Perhaps you should merge your article there. Thanks.--Pharos (talk) 05:31, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree: it's rename the article The Winter Garden Theatre (1850), for though it received that name later, by Boucicault, it's the most common historical name that is used, and, one might argue that several of the more important productions and events took place there (the Booth brother's Juliuse Caesar in particular, and Edwin Booth's 100 night Hamlet, among others), that that name should stick. But can someone help me out: I who created the article knows not how to recristen it with the new name. Weimar03 (talk) 05:41, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Ooops, I just reread the above note and realized that that very article exists. Like trying to find parking on the Upper Westside!!! Weimar03 (talk) 05:41, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Theater v Theatre

Should not a theater located in the United States be referred to as a 'theater' rather than 'theatre', unless the theater itself chooses to use the British spelling as an affectation? The one official site I can find for this venue, linked at the bottom of the article, uses the American spelling. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.19.48.154 (talk) 16:04, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

No, the "theatre" and "theatre" spellings are both used in the U.S., and there's no particular reason to prefer one over the other based on geographic location (though "theatre" seems more prevalent for live theatre, and "theater" for movies). And this particular theatre is run by the Shubert Organization. On its website <http://www.shubertorganization.com/theatres/winter_garden.asp> (also linked from the article) the spelling is "Winter Garden Theatre". The Shubert Organization, by the way, founded and based in the U.S., seems to have a definite preference for the "theatre" spelling. - Nunh-huh 19:23, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Orchestra

Does the Winter Garden Theatre have a place for the orchestra? Is an orchestra typically used for the musicals? Or is only the singing live, and the rest recorded?

If anybody knows the answers to these questions, please add them to the article. --79.178.9.187 (talk) 21:30, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Which "Follies"? (photo of chorus girls)

The photo depicting the line of chorus girls comes from page 74 of Photo-Play Magazine (April, 1923). From the caption, however, it is not entirely clear whether the photo depicts The Greenwich Village Follies or The Ziegfeld Follies. In the article, there are also photos attributed to the more popular Ziegfeld Follies. In fact, the abbreviation of "Follies," present in the caption, usually referred to Ziegfeld's brand. — Preceding unsigned comment added by August mergelman (talk • contribs) 18:59, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

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Winter Garden Theatre

• ... that the runway at the Winter Garden Theatre was nicknamed the "bridge of thighs" after lightly clothed showgirls paraded down it? Source: Schumach, Murray (March 31, 1946). "Winter Garden Cycle; From 'extravaganzas' to the 'talkies' --a playhouse that has made history". The New York Times.
  • ALT1: ... that the Winter Garden Theatre, converted from a horse trading exchange, later hosted cats for 18 years? Source: Well, technically Cats. (1) Gray, Christopher (September 13, 1998). "Streetscapes/50th Street from Broadway to Seventh Avenue; Once the Home of Horses, Now the Home of 'Cats'". The New York Times. (2) O'Haire, Patricia; Macmillan, Alissa; George, Tara (September 11, 2000). "B'way's 'Cats' Now a Memory". New York Daily News. p. 3.
  • ALT2: ... that the Winter Garden Theatre, converted from a horse trading exchange, later hosted Cats for 18 years? Source: Same source as ALT1. Frankly this might be a little more boring, but it's also more accurate in case ALT1 has some objections.
  • ALT3: ... that the Winter Garden Theatre was built after Jacob J. Shubert saw a horse exchange while walking up Broadway? Source: Hirsch, Foster (2000). The Boys from Syracuse : the Shuberts' Theatrical Empire. Lanham: Cooper Square Press. p. 81
  • ALT4: ... that Al Jolson appeared in both the first theatrical production and the first film screened in the Winter Garden Theatre? Source: Bloom, Ken (2007). The Routledge Guide to Broadway. Routledge. pp. 270, 273

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5x expanded by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 05:15, 28 November 2021 (UTC).

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Overall: Looking great as usual, Epicgenius! Ping me when the QPQ is done and I'll tick this for you. ezlev (user/tlk/ctrbs) 20:42, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

@Ezlev: Thanks for the review. I've now done a QPQ. Epicgenius (talk) 18:59, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Good to go! ezlev (user/tlk/ctrbs) 20:04, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

ALT0 to T:DYK/P6