Talk:Windows Glyph List 4

Legend placement

The legend to the char table is in an odd place. Could someone with some more CSS knowledge place that table to the right of the character table? Hamaryns 11:19, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Anon note

A drive-by IP posted this in september of 2006, on top of the table:

BUG: These range definitions only account for 413 of the 652 chars - need to proof against spec. Latin Extended looks wrong.

Nobody could be bothered to check this for over a year? The table was correct, had not changed since the note was added. My edit summary indicated there were 725 characters, this was a mistake (there are 653) but I stand by my assessment of the correctness of the table itself. The table yields the following list of ranges:

• 0020-007E, 00A0-00FF, 0100-017F, 0192, 01FA-01FF, 02C6-02C7, 02C9, 02D8-02DD, 0384-038A, 038C, 038E-03A1, 03A3-03CE, 0401-040C, 040E-044F, 0451-045C, 045E-045F, 0490-0491, 1E80-1E85, 1EF2-1EF3, 2013-2015, 2017-201E, 2020-2022, 2026, 2030, 2032-2033, 2039-203A, 203C, 203E, 2044, 207F, 20A3-20A4, 20A7, 20AC, 2105, 2113, 2116, 2122, 2126, 212E, 215B-215E, 2190-2195, 21A8, 2202, 2206, 220F, 2211-2212, 2215, 2219-221A, 221E-221F, 2229, 222B, 2248, 2260-2261, 2264-2265, 2302, 2310, 2320-2321, 2500, 2502, 250C, 2510, 2514, 2518, 251C, 2524, 252C, 2534, 253C, 2550-256C, 2580, 2584, 2588, 258C, 2590-2593, 25A0-25A1, 25AA-25AC, 25B2, 25BA, 25BC, 25C4, 25CA-25CB, 25CF, 25D8-25D9, 25E6, 263A-263C, 2640, 2642, 2660, 2663, 2665-2666, 266A-266B, F001-F002, FB01-FB02.

I independently got this list from the spec

• 0020-007E, 00A0-017F, 0192, 01FA-01FF, 02C6-02C7, 02C9, 02D8-02DD, 0384-038A, 038C, 038E-03A1, 03A3-03CE, 0401-040C, 040E-044F, 0451-045C, 045E-045F, 0490-0491, 1E80-1E85, 1EF2-1EF3, 2013-2015, 2017-201E, 2020-2022, 2026, 2030, 2032-2033, 2039-203A, 203C, 203E, 2044, 207F, 20A3-20A4, 20A7, 20AC, 2105, 2113, 2116, 2122, 2126, 212E, 215B-215E, 2190-2195, 21A8, 2202, 2206, 220F, 2211-2212, 2215, 2219-221A, 221E-221F, 2229, 222B, 2248, 2260-2261, 2264-2265, 2302, 2310, 2320-2321, 2500, 2502, 250C, 2510, 2514, 2518, 251C, 2524, 252C, 2534, 253C, 2550-256C, 2580, 2584, 2588, 258C, 2590-2593, 25A0-25A1, 25AA-25AC, 25B2, 25BA, 25BC, 25C4, 25CA-25CB, 25CF, 25D8-25D9, 25E6, 263A-263C, 2640, 2642, 2660, 2663, 2665-2666, 266A-266B, F001-F002, FB01-FB02.

—Random832 21:01, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Lead Section

The lead section states that some Unicode characters may be missing from Linux, but is that even relevant to mention since Linux is not a Microsoft operating system in the first place? AadaamS (talk) 13:29, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

The lead section states that some characters may be missing from Windows XP, but available on all major Windows platforms. As XP is still in widespread use and still supported by Microsoft, surely XP would count as a "major platform"? Or should XP count as a "minor platform"? It just seems a bit inconsistent. AadaamS (talk) 13:29, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

I removed the Linux comment as it makes no sense. Unless you use Pango/etc, Linux is going to only draw the glyphs in the font. Possibly the referral is to a one of the Open fonts missing part of this set? However such fonts can be used on Windows, and Windows fonts are often used on Linux. Same question for the Windows stuff. I assume this means some glyphs are missing from the fonts distributed with earlier versions of Windows. Surely the earlier versions were not purposely not drawing some Unicode indexes (and none of these are complex characters needing any more than primitive adjacent layout, so it is not due to lacking some font layout capability). But don't the fonts get updated to new versions with the newest glyphs and thus any Windows user who has updated will see the new glyphs?Spitzak (talk) 16:31, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Private Use chars?

The article says that two private use characters are defined, but what are they defined as? Viewing this article on an iPhone doesn't display them. 12.218.76.10 (talk) 22:24, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

If your browser or system does not provide definitions for them, then there are none. That is UNICODE-intentional. Just follow the link Private Use Area in the article to get an in-depth explanation why that is so. --176.2.72.183 (talk) 06:52, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

I actually meant what WGL4 defined them as. I found it though. :-D It actually defines them as extra copies of the 'fi' and 'fl' ligatures, presumably for supporting legacy applications that had used those locations before the fb01/fb02 locations were defined. [1] [2] 2602:306:37BB:C490:F0F2:D946:158F:B171 (talk) 00:42, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

Publication date

Does anyone know when does WGL4 date from? The earliest I've found is 1997 as part of 1.0 OpenType specification, but I suspect the list is older than that. -KiloByte (talk) 07:42, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

Recount?

The number of characters (currently claimed as 656) may need to be recounted. Please double–check your recounts. 222.232.186.31 (talk) 12:42, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

Which font do you want to count?

• Arial Black – 669 Windows Glyph List 4 glyphs in version 2.35
• Century – 671 characters (669 Windows Glyph List 4 glyphs) in version 1.10
• Comic Sans MS – 575 characters (574 Windows Glyph List 4 glyphs) in version 2.20

Source: http://www.alanwood.net/unicode/fonts_windows.html

--Guy Macon (talk) 13:55, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

Seems like 669 is greater than 656 so it does sound possible. Maybe there is a new version from Microsoft?Spitzak (talk) 19:06, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

There are many versions from Microsoft. Different fonts have different counts of how many characters from Windows Glyph List 4 they support. Counting the glyphs in one particular font is the wrong way to answer this question.

Microsoft lists 657 Windows Glyph List 4 glyphs that are in Unicode at [ https://www.microsoft.com/typography/otspec/wgl4.htm ] Are there Windows Glyph List 4 glyphs that are not in Unicode? --Guy Macon (talk) 23:14, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

I meant the count from the table, not from fonts. I counted and double–checked as 657 (excluding control characters, but including space, non–breaking space, "optional", "private use" and "added in OpenType Specification v1.5") using calculator addition. Also, all WGL4 characters have Unicode code (zero padded for LSD) in the left column, so every WGL4 character, including private use, is in Unicode. 2A01:119F:21E:4D00:D05A:395D:4DFE:AB9A (talk) 14:41, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

I am unwatching this page

Glyphs are not characters, characters are not glyphs, and I am giving up on attempting to make this article reflect this extremely well-sourced truth.

A glyph is a visual representation of one or more characters. A character may be represented by more than one glyph, and a glyph may represent more than one character. In the early days of computing both terms were often used used interchangeably, particularly on systems that had one glyph per character.

I am unwatching this page. Enjoy your inaccurate article, and have fun counting characters. Some of you have certain worked hard to keep it inaccurate. You can reply to this comment if you wish, but I will not see the reply. Please don't ping me. I do not want to have anything to do with this article. --Guy Macon (talk) 02:38, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

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