Talk:Willie H. Fuller

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Awards

Lightburst you have added Congressional Gold Medal to this page and others. That was a unit award to the Tuskegee Airmen as a group, not an individual award to Fuller and so my clarification language is perfectly valid. Don't edit war this. Mztourist (talk) 03:56, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You seem to be parsing words to favor your your desire to delete the article. I will work to improve it in the coming days. I do hope you do not revert my edits to favor deletion. If I received a Nobel Prize as a team- would I be any less notable? It is not relevant. Lightburst (talk) 04:12, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Its not parsing words, its providing an accurate statement of the award. The award was given to the Airmen as a group not to him individually. The Congressional Gold Medal can be awarded to individuals or groups and so its important to differentiate. Try to improve the page all you like. If someone is a recipient of the Nobel Prize its highly unlikely that they will be one of 1007 co-awardees and highly likely that they will have significant coverage outside of just being part a co-awardee. Mztourist (talk) 04:19, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Afds are all about who shows up. You get more people to favor your deletion efforts and the article is deleted. You ask for WP:SALT and it is finished. That is why it is so important to only delete rubbish. WP:NOTPAPER. You have very quickly decided that the copyvio editor needed his articles deleted. And that violates the tenets of WP. Members of groups and teams are notable. Lightburst (talk) 04:33, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lightburst read WP:NOTINHERITED which makes it very clear that Members of groups and teams are not notable. The copyvio User created 66 poorly-sourced and written pages about Tuskegee Airmen. 15 pages have been deleted, 5 are at AFD and another 1-2 will be put up for AFD. Mztourist (talk) 04:42, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

lets take a break from this banter and reversion. Lightburst (talk) 04:44, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Just as soon as you stop pushing INHERITED and adding misleading content. Mztourist (talk) 04:50, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

misleading content? Yikes. I am going to bed. Lightburst (talk) 04:55, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

yes adding Congressional Gold Medal without clarifying that it was a unit award and then deleting my wording that stated this was misleading. Mztourist (talk) 04:57, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The way you say it implies that there is a nefarious intent. The members were awarded the Congressional Gold Medal. That is a fact - you can parse words but when a unit receives something, they all get it, and can say they got it. They had a ceremony to confer on all those who were alive in 2007. Sadly some members perished and so they were awarded posthumously. You and I will not agree and so we will wait to see who shows up to create a WP:CONSENSUS. It is all about who shows up and who cares enough to research beyond- the refs are weak...delete. This kind of "yes it is..no it's not" back and forth is mind numbing. Lightburst (talk) 05:20, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Given your numerous other comments about me I don't AGF towards you. As I keep telling you the Congressional Gold Medal was a group/unit award, not individual awards, read the actual law: [1]. A Unit award does not satisfy #1 of WP:ANYBIO. Mztourist (talk) 06:37, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: WP:NOTINHERITED is an essay not a policy. WP:ATD and WP:PRESERVE are actual policies we can apply here. As I said above, you and I are at loggerheads. We cannot agree to apply policy instead of an essay. And we need to wait to see who shows. That is all that matters. Lightburst (talk) 13:55, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm curious, by Lighburst's standards should we display all battlestars won by WWII era-vessels on the pages of individual sailors who served on them? that seems wrong. To mention the Congressional Gold Medal on a Tuskegee airman's page seems perfectly valid, but displaying it like an individual award is misleading. -Indy beetle (talk) 21:48, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Indy beetle Thanks for offering your opinion. There is more than the Congressional Gold Medal involved in this person's history. I am working on the article and I was a late arrival. I just added information that this person was the first black flight instructor at Tuskegee. And learned his rank was Captain. I hope you will consider taking another look. Lightburst (talk) 22:28, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]