Talk:William Beanes

Flag of Truce Vessel: Minden?

None of the reference material I own, have borrowed, or even heard about, states the name of Col. Skinner's Flag of Truce Vessel. The best information I have is that it was one of a group of sloops that was leased by the Federal Government for use by Col. Skinner in his role as the Prisoner Exchange Agent for the region.

I had suggested, in these pages that if the sloop had been named Minden, that would explain the confusion that led to the myth that Key was aboard the HMS Minden when he wrote the Star Spangled Banner. But I had no evidence to support it, nor have I ever heard of any.

I'd be pleased if you could provide a reference for the name of the vessel. Otherwise, I'd like to edit the article, removing its name. TCav (talk) 21:14, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Done. TCav (talk) 14:51, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Typing in "Francis Scott Key Minden" in Google Books produces over an additional hundred references. Typing "Noyes Lincoln 1863" in the Search box of The Library of Congress America Memory images at this address produces a letter to President Lincoln of 1863 from lawyer William Curtis Noyes describing the ship Minden and that Keys and Beanes were on it when the Star Spangled Banner was written in September 1814. Typing "Francis Scott Key" in WorldCat produces a thousand books, many of which mention the ship Minden and Key was on it when he wrote the famous Ode. Typing "Star Spangled Banner" in WorldCat produces a few thousand more books, most talking of both being on the Minden when the famous poem was written. --Doug Coldwell ^talk 17:09, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

First Report

Baltimore American article of September 21, 1814:

DEFENSE OF FORT McHENRY.

The annexed song was composed under the following circumstances: A gentleman had left Baltimore, in a flag of truce for the purpose of getting released from the British fleet a friend of his who had been captured at Marlborough. He went as far as the mouth of the Patuxent, and was not permitted to return lest the intended attack on Baltimore should be disclosed. He was therefore brought up the Bay to the mouth of the Patapsco, where the flag vessel was kept under the guns of a frigate, and he was compelled to witness the bombardment of Fort M'Henry, which the Admiral had boasted that he would carry in a few hours, and that the city must fall. He watched the flag at the fort through the whole day with an anxiety that can be better felt than described, until the night prevented him from seeing it. In the night he watched the Bomb Shells, and at early dawn his eye was again greeted by the proudly waving flag of his country.

History records that the defense of Fort McHenry under Major Armistead began on the morning of Tuesday, September 13, and lasted until the early hours of September 14, 1814. Source from page 7:
Report on "The Star-Spangled Banner," "Hail Columbia," "America," "Yankee ... By Oscar George Theodore Sonneck, Library of Congress. Music Division. Page 8 shows the "flag of truce" was a cartel vessel called the Minden. All further history on this issue is based on this information.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 12:43, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Who's personal life?

The section titled "Personal Life" is almost wholly devoted to tangential topics, mainly about John Hanson. I suggest the section be severely cut down to something like the following:

Beanes married Sarah Hawkins Hanson on November 25, 1773. She was the niece of John Hanson, who later became the first president of the Confederation Congress of the United States.

Anyone wishing to know more about Hanson can follow his link. 192.88.94.1 (talk) 14:07, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Eddie891 (talk · contribs) 21:21, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Will review, shortly. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 21:21, 4 October 2020 (UTC)Q

Comments

• Hi Doug, sorry it's taken so long for me to comment here. life got in the way. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 01:33, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

•  Done

• Saving lede for last, other comments follow the article chronologically

• "and the second generation with this family name" strikes me as superfluous detail

•  Done Removed. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 09:09, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

• "He was the third generation with the Scottish family name in America and one of the second generation of the family born in America. " I think this is unneeded

•  Done Removed. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 09:13, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

• "third generation with the family name born in America and the fourth Scottish descendant in America with the Beanes family nam" same... It can probably be inferred

•  Done Removed. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 09:22, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

• "They had a son named William," clarify that this is the william who's the subject. Additionally, you don't cite his birth daate in the article

•  Done Removed. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 09:22, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

• "in a comfortable rural environment" do you think you could rephrase this? What does 'a comfortable rural environment refer to?

•  Done Reworded. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 09:38, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

• "He became" clarify if, as it presumably means, you are referring to Hanson.

•  Done Copy edited accordingly. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 09:52, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

• I think you can trim some of the detail about John Hanson, because it's really about John and not William.

•  Done Copy edited accordingly. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 09:52, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

• "Boston's position" which was?

•  Done Copy edited accordingly. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 10:19, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

• "put into effect the" just in the county or in the nation?

•  Done Copy edited accordingly. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 10:34, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

• "distinguished scientist with an excellent reputation" is there any substance to this? What does 'scientist' mean here? What about 'excellent reputation?

•  Done Extra references provided with quotes. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 12:20, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

• "and his son" Beanes' son or Archer's?

•  Done Copy edited accordingly. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 12:49, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

• "in the Chesapeake Bay area of Maryland" imho unneeded

•  Done Removed. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 12:49, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

• Where were all the other inhabitants of Upper Marlboro? If the source doesn't specify, that's fine.

•  Done Researched and sources don't say. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 15:15, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

• "and that it had perhaps been a ruse" can you rephrase this a little bit?

•  Done Copy edited accordingly. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 14:32, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

• "undue vehemence" can you be a little more specific here?

•  Done Copy edited accordingly. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 15:15, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

• "Ross and Cockburn soon released Bowie and the others" do we know why

•  Done Copy edited accordingly. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 15:15, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

• "appointed by fourth President James Madison" needed?

•  Done Removed. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 15:15, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

• "came across the" presumably they 'reached' the ship rather than just happening upon it?

•  Done Copy edited accordingly. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 15:31, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

• "who refused to release Beanes" do we know why?

•  Done Copy edited accordingly. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 15:31, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

• "Skinner knew Beanes had a good reputation" value?

•  Done Copy edited accordingly. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 15:31, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

• "reputation. He collected letters " who does he refer to

•  Done Copy edited accordingly. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 15:31, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

• "sail back to Baltimore, but held " missing word?

•  Done Copy edited accordingly. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 15:31, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

• I've lightly ce'd, please check that the changes are agreeable to you.

•  Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 15:31, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

• Given that there's such a paucity of biographical information on Beanes, how would you feel about re-purposing this into an article on the Writing of the Star Spangled Banner? I don't think it would take much work, mostly the lede, but also understand there's a case to be made for keeping the article as is. Let me know what you think, please. I'm fine either way. Nice work on this interesting topic. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 01:33, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

• @Eddie891: I considered your proposal and after much thought on it came to the conclusion that I think I would rather stick with the biography on William Beanes. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 09:57, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

• That works for me, thanks for considering it. Cheers- Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 11:17, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

•  Working Read over your comments and thinking them over now on how to answer each one. Will mark Done after I have addressed each of your comments.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 09:57, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
• @Eddie891: All issues have been addressed. Can you take another look. Thanks.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 15:31, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Misc

• Images are good

•  Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 19:40, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

• Sources look good, but formatting for newspaper articles is wonky. Did you use Newspapers.com? If so, I recommend adding links to the clippings. Otherwise, they are fine as is

•  Done - I did not put those in the article. I believe in properly citing news clippings and providing link. I use Newspaper.com alot, as you might have already noticed. Fixed those news references with proper cites where applicable. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 19:40, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

• Earwigs has a pretty high percent, but that looks almost definitely like a mirror

•  Done yes, mirror. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 19:40, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

• spotcheck to come... Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 15:55, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

@Eddie891: These further points addressed. Can you look again please. Thanks. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 19:40, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

User:Eddie891 These further points addressed. Can you look again please. Thanks. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 10:55, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

• Spotcheck
  • I don't know that source 11 is enough to substantiate 'some historians', when it merely looks like an ad

•  Done - removed this line, as I couldn't find additional references for this.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 09:35, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

• • other sourcing lines up
  • you never cite the date of death in the article body AFAICS = He died there on October 12, 1828 @Eddie891:
• And that's-- at long last-- it from here Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 21:52, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
• LGTM Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 15:32, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

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