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Unclear

The pronouns in the following paragraph make it difficult to understand what's happening (specifically, who said what and who died):

Along the way, Benjamin runs across a technician who is trying to escape the resort, and informs him that Gunslinger can react faster and think faster than he can, and that "you haven't got a chance." The Gunslinger kills the technician from a distance with a high-powered rifle as he is talking to Benjamin, who confidently states "Oh yes I do."

It sounds like Benjamin is warning the technician, saying to the technician, 'you haven't got a chance.' However, then it sounds like Benjamin is answering a comment from the (dying) technician, with the line, 'oh yes I do,' which sounds like it is in response to the technician saying, 'you haven't got a chance'.--Anchoress 07:08, 16 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for fixing it. Much clearer.--Anchoress 23:30, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There is a paragraph "The other guest (Brolin) shows him (by having him try to shoot him) that the guns cannot fire at anything warm, only "something cold, like a machine." Unfortunately, this is contradicted by an earlier scene in which a human accidently shoots and breaks a mirror." I fail to see a contradiction here - surely a mirror is just as cold as a machine is?

There's another. The guns are described as "electric". They don't appear to fire "electric" bullets; otherwise, how would they be fatal to humans...? (I'll leave aside why the resort operators were so stupid they didn't use 5-in-1s...) TREKphiler ^{hit me ♠} 03:21, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There is nothing about this, but Westworld might also have influenced Total Recall, which is evident by the introductory ads, even if in one robots are used while the later happens in a virtual reality simulation... 66.11.179.30 (talk) 02:25, 4 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Influences on pop culture

Could this be included in the article? Brynner's appearance in Westworld is noted in former Pavement frontman Stephen Malkmus' song "Jo Jo's Jacket." The song appears on Malkmus' first solo album, Stephen Malkmus (album).

^ Agree with the above. Also, the "...Where nothing can possibly go wrong.. go wrong.. go wrong" quote surely inspired the Simpson's episode with the nearly identical quote and situation.

The setting for the Red Dwarf episode "Meltdown" (Meltdown (Red Dwarf episode)) is very similar too. An amusement park with realistic looking androids, abandoned and the androids "break their programming" and start attacking each other. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.90.175.202 (talk) 07:52, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Westworld remake

A remake of Westworld has been in planning for a number of years. Originally, (back in 2003) Arnold Schwarzenegger was to have produced and acted in it, though that's likely no longer true (him being governor and all). Director Tarsem Singh is said to have been chosen to do the film as of January 2006. Perhaps this info should be added to this article. --69.210.125.174 00:07, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have any sources for this information?--SB | T 02:11, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Just did a search on google. http://entertainment.tv.yahoo.com/entnews/ap/20050813/112395120008.html --Lendorien 00:51, 6 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Other Simpsons reference

apparently the simpsons episode involving skinner chasing bart when bart ends up at the mayors party features a parody of the film in the chase right down to the music- i dont know the name of the episode but will post the youtube address for the clip- another comment has been made concerinng this and i think itd make sense considering there are two references already there

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoCtVIQQ44E

Copyediting

I tried to trim down the summary, and removed a lot of the thematic interpretations. Konczewski 02:16, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The pistols

It is mentioned above that the pistols would not fire at anything warm. I have added this information back into the summary. I remember the film being very vague about the pistols. Is there a novelisation that explains how they were supposed to work, that we could reference in the article? The guns were presumably as close to real-like western six-shooters as possible, but they seemed to have infinite ammo, the virus that affected the robots would surely not affect the pistols, and the Gunslinger's pistol runs out of battery power at one point and becomes useless, which suggests that they were not like western six-shooters at all. -Ashley Pomeroy 18:18, 18 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As noted above, if they were "electric", they wouldn't be lethal to humans...& "infinite ammo" is extremely common in Hollywood. TREKphiler ^{hit me ♠} 03:29, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There seem to be at least two varieties of pistol in the film - the ones issued to the guests have a temperature sensor and can't shoot at anything warm; if a guest attempts to do this, the pistol simulates a misfire - there's a scene between Blane and Martin where all this is fairly clearly demonstrated. In the scene with the mirror, it also seems that when not inhibited by the sensor, the gun fires ordinary bullets. The robot gunslinger's pistol, on the other hand, does successfully fire at Blane, killing him, and again at Martin at one point during the final chase, shortly before failing to fire at all and indicating a loss of battery power - assuming no continuity errors, presumably the robots' programming was considered sufficiently reliable for them not to need additional failsafes in their weapons. In any case, questions about the safety of the pistols are really not so significant compared to the question about how on earth the guests would be prevented from accidentally harming each other with the bladed weapons in the resort's other two zones. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.69.126.85 (talk) 18:30, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The screenplay book has The Gunslinger removing the thermal sensor from his pistol. Bizzybody (talk) 22:56, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Digital processing and computer virus

I clarified the material about the digital image processing because the earlier version could be construed to mean the images were computer generated rather than digitally processed (pixelized). Furthermore, while there was text here referring to the time it took to test and render the Gunslinger POV, it referred broadly to "on AMC" as opposed to a proper citation. I would only reinstate this if a proper citation can be found.

Although I revised it, I left this in and cited a reference, but it seems out of place under the Production heading, and doesn't appear to fit comfortably under any other topic. I would suggest it's extraneous, except as a minor curiosity.MrNeutronSF (talk) 12:31, 14 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Don't know if it's notable enough

But mirrored contact lenses worn by Yul Brynner were developed specifically for the movie, and were considered quite the achievement in the special effect industry of the time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.193.142.207 (talk) 01:09, 31 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think it is worth a mention, with a source citation. SlowJog (talk) 00:01, 24 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delos named after D. D. Harriman?

Is the Delos park named after Delos David Harriman? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delos_D._Harriman Bizzybody (talk) 22:58, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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1983

I was surprised to see the plot summary list the year 1983. You can see 1985 on the big check at the start of Futureworld, and there is dialog in that film stating how many years ago the Delos accident was, so I assume that is where it came from. Or was it specifically shown somewhere in Westworld? If not, I'd like to update the description to say something like "unspecified year" and then make a note about Futureworld's date. I'm not sure a fact in one movie should be added based on information that comes from a later project that the original creators had nothing to do with. Allen Huffman (talk) 20:18, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 18 December 2016

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The result of the move request was: moved. (non-admin closure) JudgeRM (talk to me) 03:52, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Westworld → Westworld (film)
Westworld (franchise) → Westworld

– With Westworld (TV series) now firmly lodged in popular culture, it appears that Westworld (film) is not the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. In terms of use, it receives only a minority of page views, despite being at the base name.[1] The page views are affected by recentism, but in terms of long-term significance, the show has already achieved similar levels of popularity and critical acclaim, and has been renewed for a second season. Given that topics related to this franchise are far and away more significant than other uses, I suggest placing a broad-concept article at the base name Westworld, which is a more reader-friendly way of handling things than putting a straight dab page there. This is the solution used for another Michael Crichton franchise, Jurassic Park, and at many others in similar situations such as Battlestar Galactica, Star Wars, Planet of the Apes, and Pirates of the Caribbean. Cúchullain ^t/c 23:01, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support I was going to propose this, but I was too lazy to do it. There's no way most people want the film, but it still has relative historical significance compared to the TV show, so the franchise option is the best as a WP:CONCEPTDAB. Nohomersryan (talk) 23:35, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support EarlOfBagels (talk) 01:04, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support. The request is entirely reasonable. Calidum 03:52, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support. - AffeL (talk) 19:44, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support move. ONR (talk) 21:37, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support. -- Wikipedical (talk) 21:54, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support PeterD12 (talk) 22:19, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support per detailed and well-reasoned nomination. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 05:10, 21 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support per requester. Reidgreg (talk) 18:40, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Mssing Cast Members?

In the side bar , it is noted that Robert Wagner , Rip Torn , and James Earl Jones are cast members. Yet , nowhere else in the body of the entry are they mentioned. Can anyone confirm their appearing in the film? ( And in what capacity? ). 75.104.162.211 (talk) 00:33, 26 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Per the imdb listing for Westworld (1973) there is no evidence they were in the film.--Professor Phantasm (talk) 01:32, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Any Six Million Dollar Man connection?

Six Million Dollar Man had robots occasionally replacing people beginning with "Day of the Robot" in 1974. Is there any connection to Westworld?--Professor Phantasm (talk) 16:44, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The series' implementation of that concept seems to have been borrowed more from Futureworld, the sequel, as it doesn't happen in this film. But, within scifi cinema, it does go back as far as Metropolis. Daniel Case (talk) 01:39, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The websites

There are two official websites that tie into the HBO series: Delos Destinations and Discover Westworld. Both sites are set in the Westworld universe, treating Delos and Westworld as real. I'm not sure if this meats wikipedia criteria so I am putting the information here.--174.99.238.22 (talk) 16:52, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Terminator

Is there any evidence that the Yul Brynner gunslinger robot was (wholly or in part) an inspiration for the original Terminator in 1984? Even his end - set on fire and then the burned metal bit gets up again with the flesh burned off - seems fairly reminiscent.

I'm not saying it necessarily is - resemblances can sometimes be purely coincidental.Paulturtle (talk) 20:41, 28 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It certainly seemed that way when we showed it in college in the late 1980s. That speech that tech guy who eventually gets killed by the Gunslinger warning Richard Benjamin about just how determined and inhuman the Gunslinger is seems almost to have been deliberately paraphrased by Reese in his "That's what he does! That's all he does!" speech while in police custody in the latter film. Daniel Case (talk) 01:28, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Terminator page says that James Cameron was inspired partly by a dream he had (of a metal skeleton emerging from a fire) and partly by old sci-fi movies. Maybe it's a case of both concepts evolving from common shared ancestors.Paulturtle (talk) 20:52, 28 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Given how cagey Cameron was about admitting the obvious Outer Limits episodes ("Soldier" and "Demon With a Glass Hand") that inspired The Terminator, to the point that he had to add that note "The producers wish to acknowledge the work of HARLAN ELLISON" at the beginning of the end credits, I suspect he knew he full well what he was doing. Daniel Case (talk) 01:33, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]