Talk:Westmorland

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--Mais oui! 09:42, 24 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Area

The later areas seem wrong: are these actually hectarage figures? Morwen - Talk 10:48, 24 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Somehow got mixed up with Cumberland. MRSC 10:58, 24 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

PLAW

I'm thinking of removing the bit about the "liberation army" as it seems to have been a hoax. I rewrote it after it was originally added, but as there does not appear to be any evidence of their existence or activities apart from one letter to a newspaper it seems not merit a mention per WP:WEIGHT Lozleader 20:21, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No Flag

When Wetsmoreland was abolished it had no flag, there is no representative organisation or existing geographic definition of this area currently in force. Therefore no organisation can issue a flag, retrospectively.--Kitchen Knife (talk) 13:07, 28 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This Flags of the World webpage shows the flag most often seen on car stickers and also the apple tree flag promoted by the Westmorland Association and occasionally seen on public buildings. I suggest adding a "Flags" section to the article and mentioning both of these there. The section could also mention the different roles that flags can play (tourism symbols, marketing symbols, local government etc etc) though most of that discussion would be better in a different article and is already pretty much covered in Flag. What do others think? --Northernhenge (talk) 20:29, 28 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The flag of a pressure group should not be used. The flag should be removed completely. You cannot add a flag after the abolition of a county.--Kitchen Knife (talk) 20:54, 28 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You really must give this up. In order for a flag to be recognised you need people to campaign for it. Ergo, all flags are the result of action by "pressure groups". Furthermore do not confuse the abolition of an administrative organisation with the abolition of a historic geographic entity to which people identify. To repeat myself: The entire point of county flags is to represent groups of people with a shared identity and history. Statutes cannot legislate away someone's identity. Owain (talk) 09:44, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There is no shared Westmoreland identity, just a small group claiming there is one. The area was abolished, it has no meaning.--Kitchen Knife (talk) 15:26, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It is nonsense to say that "the area was abolished" merely because there is no longer a county council. Are you also claiming that Yorkshire doesn't exist because there isn't a "Yorkshire County Council", or that Berkshire no longer exists? - David Biddulph (talk) 08:42, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yorkshire has always been split into ridings and the councils are "the x riding of Yorkshire council". implicit in that is the existance of Yorkshire. It wasn't just Westmoreland CC at that was abolished the area ceased to exists as any form of governmental entity, but was abosorbed into the new county of Cumbria.--Kitchen Knife (talk) 09:02, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Again you are totally missing the point (on purpose). Whether or not it exists as a level of government is irrelevant. Counties are geographical and cultural entities. The entire point of county flags is to allow people with this shared sense of county identity and history to have an identifiable symbol irrespective of the ever-changing Government policy on local government areas. Owain (talk) 10:42, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The are not Geographic entities. Rivers and Mountains are geographic entities. Counties where created by HMG and can be destroyed by them. Westmorland exists in the same way the Roman empire did, in history. The only people who ckaim it exists are a small minority, of which you are a member.--Kitchen Knife (talk) 14:41, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You really, really need to give this up. You cannot use modern local government areas to tell people where they live and to what they should show allegiance. If people feel affinity with a geographic locale who are you to tell them otherwise? That is arrogance in the extreme. Are you going to go and tell everyone that they shouldn't fly Westmorland flags because Westmorland no longer exists as an administrative area? Those people want to show their allegiance because there is no longer an administrative area — that is the whole point! To show an allegiance to a historic cultural and geographical area. Government cannot legislate that away. The fact is that the Flag of Westmorland has been registered by the Flag Institute and that is all that needs to be said on the matter. It is a verifiable fact however much you illogically disagree with it. Owain (talk) 15:46, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

These types won't give up because it seems they support the agenda to try and eradicate long-held senses of allegiance and belonging. It's all part of the ongoing campaign to try and destroy our cultural heritage. I don't doubt that many of these Wikipedia editors who continually refuse to acknowledge that it was only ADMINISTRATIVE areas which were changed in 1974 are paid bureaucrats who are complicit in this underhanded attempt to destroy British history. Why else would they refuse to acknowledge the facts when the evidence before them is clear, and when they can produce absolutely no evidence in support of their own claims? 91.125.191.49 (talk) 22:08, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You need to really' give up this mindless crap. There is nothing illogical in my position, it is you that needs to grow up. A pressure group that dopes not speak for the people of the area has registered a flag with an organisation who's rules show it is biased towards the same view. It is you and you little clique that are trying to impose on people there view of where people live. You want to label one set of Cumbrians are Westmorlanders because at some point in the past HMG created an area and named in Westmorland, which it has now abolished and some people still wish to use the old mode. No one has held a public vote the only things that matters in this is what HMG has said. Most people in Merseyside I identify more strongly with Merseyside than any other county, that is there identity. I have seen no evidence other than that 2 pressure groups want to enforce there view. The flag did not belong to the County When is existed, it hasn't been created for or by an organisation with any mandate. I know people who live in all parts of Cumbria and never has one of the refereed to Westmorland or Cumberland in any context in the past or present. It is some fantasy of yours that you speak for the majority of several areas without showing any evidence or having any mandate. I suspect you rather old and stuck in your ways and can't abide change and that this is what is atthe root of you misguided POV. HMG had a mandate, you do not and neither does the Westmorland society or the Flag Institute.--Kitchen Knife (talk) 16:06, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

As a person from St Helens - I wouldn't piss on the Merseyside "flag" if it was on fire. I would be very surprised to see a report that provides evidence for a strong identity to Merseyside in this area. 82.42.238.41 (talk) 18:48, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Well that's what survey's are for.--Kitchen Knife (talk) 19:04, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No link(s), then? 82.42.238.41 (talk) 19:23, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Merseyside article has refs but unfortunately I can't find the docs on the Local Government Boundary Commission for England website.--Kitchen Knife (talk) 19:32, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Though this makes interesting reading from the Sefton Pov and may contain some ansersLocal Government Commison for England--Kitchen Knife (talk) 19:40, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers, ta. :) 82.42.238.41 (talk) 20:14, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What does this mean ?

"In June 1994, during the 1990s UK local government reform, the Local Government Commission published draft recommendations suggesting that Westmorland's border with Yorkshire and Lancashire be restored for ceremonial purposes."

I am having difficulty ascribing any plausible meaning to this sentence. Does it mean, a suggestion that Westmorland should be re-established as a separate ceremonial region within Cumbria ?

Does it mean that the borders with Lancashire and/or Yorkshire should be altered ?

As far as I can tell, the current border between Cumbria and modern Lancashire is the same as the historic border between Westmorland and Lancashire anyway.

Do they mean, distinguish former Westmorland from the former part of Lancashire which is now part of Cumbria ?

Its not clear at all, which this supposed proposal actually means.Eregli bob (talk) 06:41, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Probably best to find a reference for this information, preferably the report mentioned, and see what it says. We need the reference in any case.--Northernhenge (talk) 18:49, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Marius of Britain

The article seems very bareboned, making it appear as if there is little to no significance. It surprises me that there is no mention of King Marius anywhere. According to Geoffrey of Monmouth, Marius was the namesake for this land. There isn't even a mention of the surname, Westmoreland, that sprung from this countries name? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.230.184.59 (talk • contribs) 19:19, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'd be surprised if many reliable sources give much credence to this story. The consensus seems to be that the name Westmorland refers to "the district of the people living west of the moors" - i.e. the Pennines - and nothing to do with a mythical Marius of Britain. Ghmyrtle (talk) 20:05, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]