Talk:Wesley So

Error in the facts box

Wesley So is representing the US since 2014, please update! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.108.215.39 (talk) 20:33, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as stub, and the rating on other projects was brought up to Stub class. BetacommandBot 08:03, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Philippines Prodigy and World's 7th Youngest

We hope this bio will still be expanded when he is catapulted on top. I added his picture.

--Florentino floro (talk) 11:18, 8 December 2007 (UTC) Today, So is a national hero, as I predicted last December 8 here. On March 16, 2008, Wesley So (2540), won title in the $45,000 Dubai Open Chess Championships, "The Sheikh Rashed Bin Hamdan Al Maktoum Cup", at the Dubai Chess Club, Dubai, United Arab Emirates. He finished with 7.0 points on 6 wins, one loss and two draws after 9 games. He won a fourth ($4,500) of the combined prize of $18,000. --Florentino floro (talk) 09:06, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Unmaintained Tournament List

You guys have put a table that you are not maintaining... you are not constantly not putting in the result and half of it empty. This table in long run is useless... wikipedia is not a blog. It is suppose indicates his MAJOR accomplishment, in a small list like ther on the Garry Kasparov or other high GM. Making huge diagram of all his tournament is completely inappropriate.70.51.13.36 (talk) 14:16, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

As I said before, putting a table with all of his tournaments is not blogging. The Raptor ^{Let's talk}/_{My mistakes; I mean, er, contributions} 14:38, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Your getting to fixated on the word blogging it was expression that was use to show that this part of the article is pact with useless and ( later on ) irrelevant material. Half of all the tournament named aren't even Top level. Making a diagram of tournament that is bigger then the rest of the article is completely absurd. This article inst about his statistical score in every tournament. It about his chess career in general, his major accomplishments.

Am not against putting a list of the major tournament he participated in like the corus, linares, sofa, dortmund or other top tournament. But this must be done in a small list that only take a small portion of the article. 70.51.13.36 (talk) 14:51, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

I agree that the list could be smaller, but unfortunately we must reach a consensus before reducing the table. This means we have to wait for the opinion of other people before taking action. The Raptor ^{Let's talk}/_{My mistakes; I mean, er, contributions} 14:53, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Well reaching a consensus on wikipedia is pretty vague ther alot of people on this site. How many people need to agree, so we can have a conclusive consensus...?70.51.13.36 (talk) 15:03, 23 July 2010 (UTC) :Just one or two more people, probably. Not very many people are needed, unless it's a huge conflict. The Raptor ^{Let's talk}/_{My mistakes; I mean, er, contributions} 15:06, 23 July 2010 (UTC) Strike that, make the edit again, and if you get in trouble you can tell them to blame it on me. The Raptor ^{Let's talk}/_{My mistakes; I mean, er, contributions} 15:18, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

And say why in the edit summary...! dffgd talk·edits 15:22, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, make sure you provide the edit summary. The Raptor ^{Let's talk}/_{My mistakes; I mean, er, contributions} 15:27, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Some of the tournaments can be removed without any harm to the article eg Fianchetto blitz 2007. His gaining norms/titles don't need to be there either and can be part of the main text instead – Jkmaskell

Clearup required

This page has taken a pretty serious step back and is in real need of clearing up. Lead section needs trimming back. The results table needs to be removed and placed into the main article, with all unimportant events removed completely. There needs to be a proper divide between his early years and the chess career, where at the moment there is a blurring of the two. The references section needs looking at to standardise it. I won't tag the article because its clear to anyone that the page needs a lot of work to it by someone who can calmly but boldly filter out the rubbish from the good. Normally I'd volunteer to do it, but my hands are full with another project. Jkmaskell 08:36, 7 September 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jkmaskell (talk • contribs)

To answer my own post, I am coming to an end on my other project – Peter Leko – and will be doing just what I've called for. I apologise in advance to any editors who feel strongly about retaining the article as it is, but with a bold clear-out and re-organisation of material, this article could look very good with an immediate jump up the quality scale. He deserves better than this. If anyone has any concerns, please leave me a message on my talk page. Jkmaskell (talk) 21:05, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

I've now done as much work as will clear out the article and bring it up to date. I'm certain this is a C-Class quality article and so have changed the status. Hopefully everyone's happy with the new-look article. Jkmaskell (talk) 11:02, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Federation transfer

The article mentions that "He [So] is currently seeking a transfer to the United States Chess Federation." and this is supported by two sources. However, this edit made by Bzweebl seems to imply that So's transfer has been approved and that he now represents the USCF. It also seems to imply that So is now a US citizen. I am not sure if either of those are mutually exclusive, but no sources supporting either claim were provided which seems contrary to WP:BLPSOURCES. I googled "Wesley So transfer" and could not find anything supporting this edit. So, if So's transfer has been approved, it should be able to be supported by verifiable reliable sources; On the other hand, if his request is still pending or no supporting sources yet exist, then this edit is premature and should be undone until such time when it can be properly supported. Please discuss. - Marchjuly (talk) 06:05, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

See the letter he wrote to the NCFP which has been quoted on multiple sources that can be found through a simple internet search. He has abandoned trying to get the NCFP to approve the transfer and is instead going through FIDE, which means he will have to sit out two years of events run directly by FIDE. However, as a result there is no organizing body that can stop his transfer anymore, so the federation change is pretty much official. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 06:28, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply Bzweebl. I googled "Wesley So Letter to the NCFP", and got lots of hits such as this one, but none seem to say that his transfer is effective immediately or that he has been awarded US citizenship. If he has to wait two years before officially being able to represent the USCF, then it seems a bit premature to say he represents it now per WP:CRYSTAL. Same goes for his citizenship; If he's currently not a US citizen, even though his intentions are to become one, then it seems premature to call him a "Filipino American". Is there some kind of reliable source that his transfer to the US and US naturalization are effective immediately? If not, then such information should not be added to the article just yet. I am not sure if "pretty much" official is good enough to satisfy WP:BLPSOURCES and WP:V. Quite a lot can happen in two years, so this seems more like WP:SYN to me. - Marchjuly (talk) 07:14, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

This official website/blog of So's university chess team still has his country listed as the Phillipines as of September 1, 2014. The site is maintained by Susan Polgar, who appears to be quite involved in So's cause. Therefore, if So is representing the USCF and is a US citizen, then Polgar would probably have listed him as such. Furthermore, both So's FIDE and USCF pages also still list his federation as the Philippines. I'm not claiming that this is incontrovertible proof that So is neither of things your edit claims he is, but at least according to his university chess team, the USCF and FIDE he doesn't yet appear to be. - Marchjuly (talk) 07:46, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

OK, I think you're right here. I think the situation is his federation change is inevitable and already has a timeframe, but technically speaking it has not happened yet so he should be considered Filipino in the article. The USCF and FIDE rating cards are a fairly simple proof that is current federation is indeed the Philippines. Thanks for discussing. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 08:04, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

No problem. I wasn't sure so thanks for double checking the links I found. - Marchjuly (talk) 11:36, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

To clarify the changes just made, obviously aside from the rating/ranking edits, he has officially been confirmed to be a USCF member and two refs have been added. I haven't seen confirmation that he is a US citizen though, so I haven't called him a US chess grandmaster. He may well confirm a US passport soon, I just haven't seen it put in black and white yet. Jkmaskell (talk) 18:34, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

Federation change (update)

I'm not sure if this means anything, but at Tata Steel he is playing under the US flag. What is the reason for this? Is his American citizenship now official, or does this simply demonstrate he is representing the USCF? Does anything in the article need to be changed because of this? Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 22:54, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

So represents the USCF, therefore has the US flag. Thats fine and has been confirmed by FIDE. However there were conflicting reports over his citizenship. Last I heard, So was not going to become an American citizen, though there were reports that he might. In short, he represents the US but is not a US citizen. Jkmaskell (talk) 23:12, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

The confusion arises from him holding citizenship of one country while playing for another. Residency in the US is grounds enough under FIDE rules for transfer, subject to a fee. He is Filipino and has said in a statement that he has no wish to change citizenship but he does represent the US when it comes to chess, which he is allowed to do. It's a bit odd but is absolutely acceptable. As you can imagine this is likely to be an ongoing editing issue here. Jkmaskell (talk) 23:35, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Forfeiture to Akobian

Akobian's page mentions So's being forced to forfeit in 2015 due to illegal note writing. Shouldn't So's page mention this? Varuzhan Akobian#Wesley So forfeiture controversy

98.224.245.223 (talk) 00:27, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Some work needs to be done on recent events on this article. Ill see what I can do today. Obviously, this was a controversial incident so the language will need to be balanced. Thankfully, there was wide debate online so finding references shouldn't be a problem. Thanks for the heads up. Jkmaskell (talk) 09:33, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Millionaire Chess

Cannot understand how this information was written: here is the table [1] and So was 7th. --Yoavd (talk) 10:03, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Strange sentence

So's rating hovered over the coming year with a solid performance at the strong AAI International Tournament in New Delhi among performances typical for his rating.

In my mind's eye, the coming year arrives by bobsled as an IKEA flatpak. — MaxEnt 23:01, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Visayan?

Bacoor is in Cavite, and Cavite is in Luzon?

Thewriter006 (talk) 06:33, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

You got yourself a deal man. Anytime, anywhere as long as there is proctoring.

Please let us include

You got yourself a deal man. Anytime, anywhere as long as there is proctoring.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UE4Nl1SBHus

LOL

Thewriter006 (talk) 07:38, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

oh also: Talk:Tigran L._Petrosian#why_aren't_we_including_the_whole_copypasta_again? LOL Thewriter006 (talk) 02:47, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

FTX crypto cup?

so far we have

On 30 November 2020...

On February 14th, 2021...

On October 19th, 2021...

but it's not mentioning the May/June 2021 crypto cup! Why?

Thewriter006 (talk) 02:46, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

wait is wesley so a dual citizen? afaik e is just a single citizen. i edited from filipino-american to filipino-born american

p.s. LOL

https://www.reddit.com/r/chess960/comments/rwmtsq/proof_future_chess_9lx_world_champion_wesley_sos/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ha6uVGB-Mtw

Thewriter006 (talk) 11:28, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Russian wikipedia of wesley so has lichess incident and rating graph. Why don't we?

ru:Со, Уэсли Thewriter006 (talk) 03:59, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

shall we mention what wesley so said about sergey karjakin?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfCh8ADdt0E

https://www.reddit.com/r/chess960/comments/tlnpdy/bobby_fischers_successor_in_chess_or_9lx_wesley/

https://twitter.com/Chess__News/status/1506740783629705216

http://chess-news.ru/node/28866

https://t.me/chessnewslive/2386

ru:Обсуждение:Со, Уэсли#упомянем, что Уэсли Со сказал о серге карякине?

Thewriter006 (talk) 04:02, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

hell i wanna say wesley so is longest reigning. IT'S A TRUE STATEMENT

but not necessarily truth, whole truth and nothing but the truth. lol. what do you think?

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wesley_So&type=revision&diff=1121495917&oldid=1121071367

2. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wesley_So&type=revision&diff=1122733605&oldid=1121606529

Thewriter006 (talk) 09:58, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

Filipino and American chess

Is there some universal thing on wikipedia how we call chess players or sports players in general?

https://ell.stackexchange.com/questions/324239/african-american-or-filipino-american-how-do-you-distinguish-americans-of-a

Eg

1. Wesley So - 'Filipino and American'
2. Anish Giri - just 'Dutch'
3. Sergey Karjakin - 'Russian chess grandmaster (formerly representing Ukraine)'
4. Fabiano Caruana - 'Italian and American chess grandmaster'
5. Alexandra Kosteniuk - 'Russian and Swiss chess grandmaster who was'
6. Bobby Fischer - just 'American'

Well apart from Anish & Sergey, I think the point is regardless of their current nationality / nationalities, say all the countries that have represented, hence

1. Bobby, as a chess player, isn't Icelandic .
2. Wesley So, Fabi & Alexandra are considered present tense resp Filipino Italian & Russian

But why don't Anish & Sergey follow this pattern? Thewriter006 (talk) 02:32, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

The situations are just all potentially different because you have to distinguish lots of different things:

a) The federation the player currently is playing for - this is of course the easy one as FIDE provides this information

b) The current citizenship - most of the time the same as the federation, but doesn't has to be people can switch federations with out changing their citzienship and the country of citizenship is not necessarily public information

c) any previous federations - this is also usually possible to find out from FIDE and other sources

d) any additional current nationalities - while they can play for only one federation, players can have different nationalities at the same time

e) any previous citizenships - which might or might not be know.

If it says Weley So is a 'Filipino and American Grandmaster' I understand this as he has both Filipina and American nationality (and implicitly that he is also playing for one of these two federations and might have played for the other). A Russiona grandmaster (formerly representing Ukraine) I would understand that he is Russion know and previously played for Ukraine (and might or might not also have had Ukrainian citizenship but does not have it now). I don't know which nationalities Anish has, he certainly is Dutch and might also be Russion, but I don't think there are any sources that he is still Russian. There are also cases such as Richard Rapport who is (presumably) Hungarian, but plays for Romania without any other connection to the country (? at least there do not seem to be any sources for that) - he actually lives in Serbia.

I assume some there are also other considerations on how people are described, eg for Fisher, while he had Iceland citizenship at his death, he never played competitive chess while having this citizenship, so it would be odd to describe him as an 'Icelandic Grandmaster' (I think it would be fine to call him that, though if he'd had Icelandic citizenship from birth, even if he never played for Iceland.) 92.12.23.102 (talk) 22:32, 11 December 2023 (UTC)