Talk:Wednesday Night Wars

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Colors

Can we change the coloring of the "tie" and "NXT win" ? They are way too similar.

Ratings Table

Is there gonna a ratings table similar to the one for the Monday Night Wars? LROSE (talk) 15:28, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There should not be right now. There is only 1 week so there is no reason for it. The prose handles it just fine. - Galatz גאליץ ^{שיחה Talk} 15:30, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

What's with the similar colours used in the ratings table - can we not have colours that don't clash as much?! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7F:408:D400:59D8:8049:21:A29B (talk) 09:42, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Why does this page exists

It has been two months since head to head competition. I could see this being notable in a years time. Their is not going to be any new information or anything notable to add except for adding to the ratings table. For now this page should not exist. James Sunderland James Sunderland (talk) 16:57, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Because people are obsessed with ratings that don't affect them and non-existent "wars" *shrugs* Like it or not, it's picked up steam and even the lackluster 2010's Monday Night War has a page... AEWFanboy 04:19, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

Also I don't know what constitutes "highly searchable", but the pageviews statistics says that theres a daily avarege of over 1000 views, and 2, 3k on the thursday and friday after the shows so there's interest in this page. Also also, regardless of your opinion, all the wrestling websites and fan forums talk and compare the 2 shows every week, thus making it a competition or "war" if you will. DCF94 (talk) 11:16, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

18-49 demo rating?

Shouldn't the 18-49 demo rating of each show be noted and listed for each week? This is done for many other American TV shows, even ones not involved in a "war". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.85.52 (talk) 11:25, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No, because it's irrelevant. It's a cherry-picked demographic. AEWFanboy 19:56, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

But it's done for the majority of other American TV series, and has always been the most important demo. Nearly all TV ratings sites make note of and discuss this rating demo, how is it "irrelevant"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.85.52 (talk) 13:56, 12 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Nearly every American show (including pro wrestling) aims for the demo. It's the most important audience, and it's definitely worth noting Aardwolf68 (talk) 01:47, 26 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It's irrelevant 174.125.52.167 (talk) 06:01, 31 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

How is it irrelevant when it's more important to have a high 18-49 demo rating, than total viewers? For example, a show with a 1.0 18-49 rating with an average of 5 million viewers, will generally get renewed over a show with a 0.5 18-49 rating, with an average of 8 million viewers. Obviously, this demo matters for network TV and basic cable, not HBO, etc. Advertising dollars are greatly influenced by this important demo, most wiki pages for American TV shows make note of this demo rating. How exactly, is it "irrelevant"?

This should be removed imo 24.38.208.110 (talk) 12:55, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Why? Explain your reasons. The demo is noted on many other American TV series. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:BB6:1AE4:D658:B8CE:CAA8:A113:495F (talk) 09:39, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Im willing to bet that those wanting it to stay are "aew fans" and those wanting it removed are "wwe fans". That said, I see no harm whatsoever in it staying. If those providing the info are happy to do so and update the page whats the big deal? More information is good no? When all said and done, in the case of AEW v NXT (Which is what the article is about) the 18-49 demo is most certainly relevant because its being cited in all the viewing figures reports, and its even playing parts of ongoing storylines. That said, nobody should be deleting anything (as someone did earlier) until some sort of consensus has been reached Dimspace (talk) 16:56, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It definitely needs to stay as it's objectively how shows are ranked in the industry. I've posted a comment below that sources a lot of this. From Showbuzz, to wrestling sites. Here's an article from Deadline this week. In the first paragraph: "The Season 4 premiere of 9-1-1 delivered a 1.2 in the adults 18-49 demographic, a smidge down from its Season 3 finale, but the action drama did score a night-topping 7 million viewers." - the first thing they talk about is 18-49, and then the number is secondary. Someone removed the demo from the chart just before, and claimed it was an "AEW fanboy" who edits it. No, that's not how this works, unless they want to crusade against the entirety of television. CrystalFissure (talk) 01:12, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"+7" Figure?

For similar reasons to the above, shouldn't the "+7" figure - the rating which includes people who watch the shows in the 7 days following the live broadcast - be included? It's increasingly the standard by which the industry judges these things due to the rise of streaming. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.224.46.51 (talk) 16:57, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I see no reason why +3 and +7 cannot be included if its properly sourced. NXT results obviously will not include WWE Network views, so the total viewers will not be exactly accurate, but its about watching from TV - Galatz גאליץ ^{שיחה Talk} 14:29, 29 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The article should probably avoid recapping storylines too much

Firstly, I would like to commend user @J4lambert: for their major contribution to the page of late. The "Before the War" and "Impact of the coronavirus" sections are good overlays of the context of what is happening with the war. However, I might suggest one thing, and that suggestion would be that the page, in general, should probably avoid recapping storylines unless those storylines can be directly shown to have affected the ratings. I fear the page will balloon enormously in size over time if multiple users try and recap the storylines the promotions are doing. The "war" could go for many years to come and too much recapping will lead to a sprawling article.

If a storyline can be shown to be consistency adding to the ratings of a promotion (or indeed, losing ratings), that can be included, but otherwise, I think it should be avoided. A way to demonstrate this would be quarter-hour ratings. So, for example, it would probably be fairly easy to demonstrate that someone like Chris Jericho is capable of shifting/hold the ratings.

One example of "fluff" or "filler" in the article in the "The war begins" section are a few sentences recapping what Charlotte Flair did in storyline between January and February 2020. How this influenced the war in any way is not demonstrated. If it can be shown this was something that influenced ratings, it should be kept. But if not, then this type of information just overloads the article with trivia.

That's my 2 cents. CeltBrowne (talk) 21:44, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Unless an event happens that directly affects the ratings of either program (ie, Rhea Ripley winning the NXT title), it shouldn't be on this article. This article doesn't exist to recap the events of every single angle and storyline from NXT and Dynamite. I've tagged the article accordingly. MarcoPolo250 (talk) 20:05, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think it should only be used to highlight flagship weeks. So for instance AEW running bash at the beach, and then the recent AEW running fighter fest v nxt doing great american bash, as they are 1) special cards that impact viewing figures and 2) highlight weeks where both organisations put forward bigger cards. Dimspace (talk) 16:59, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Key demographic?

No explanation of what makes this important or any prose to describe why it matters? It's nonsense, and obviously it's blatantly against WP:INDISCRIMINATE. ItsKesha (talk) 18:28, 11 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Key Demographic is literally how television is ranked daily in the industry. See Showbuzz Daily Archived 2015-06-09 at the Wayback Machine, the biggest site that tracks Nielsen ratings. Here's an example of a Wednesday Night chart Archived 2020-12-29 at the Wayback Machine. See how it's ranked. AEW is number 2 on the chart with a .45 rating. NXT is number 37 with a .17 rating. One of the rollbacks invoked the idea that the "Key Demo" is added by a fanboy but this is false and accusatory, and not at all factual.

Even Wikipedia's article on [Nielsen_ratings#Commercial_ratings] lists the importance of the "demo". Here's one of the most popular wrestling sites/journalists talking about the ratings and viewership. So please stop removing it because it's so one-sided towards one brand. It's how television is ranked and it was AEW's demo numbers that got them renewed in the first place. IE: how the industry charts numbers. CrystalFissure (talk) 01:04, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Wednesday Night Wars/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: REDMAN 2019 (talk · contribs) 18:39, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I will take a look at this. REDMAN 2019 (talk) 18:39, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Quickfail

I'm afraid I'm going to have to quickfail this one. The reasons being the expansion needed tag at the COVID section, and also because it is uncertain weather the article meets Wikipedia's general notability criteria. Also I notice that you have only made two edits to the page. Editors who are not regular contributors to the page in question are advised to seek clearance from regular ones. REDMAN 2019 (talk) 18:54, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

12/30/2020 AEW 977,000 link

Can someone convert this into a footnote? The link as-is will not be accessible to users of screen reading software. The link should be descriptive as to the article it's linking to. SunnySydeRamsay (talk) 22:40, 11 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Aftermath

Well, now that the War has ended, the aftermath may be a thing to add to the article in the future. Clearly it's far too early to say anything much, as the fallout is still unsettled and the third-party analyses we would need to use as sources don't really exist yet, but we can't just leave this article without such things when they become clear. Already there may be signs that, unlike the Monday Night Wars that pushed Raw and Nitro to ever higher viewership, the Wednesday Night War may have actually been hurting both programs instead, as the first week with the shows on separate nights had NXT with some 820,000 viewers, their largest viewership since October and in the top 5 for the series as a whole, while Dynamite had a whopping 1.2 million, their second best rating ever, behind only the premier episode. oknazevad (talk) 19:19, 17 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

We can't really add any interpretation of the "Wars" until 3rd party sources make such interpretation. Anything else would be WP:OR. — Czello 19:47, 17 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I said that in my second sentence. This is more a comment about being on the lookout for those third-party sources as they come up, as some have already been written. Not necessarily as detailed or as in depth as the Monday Night Wars, but that's to be expected, both for decency and for historical importance. oknazevad (talk) 03:15, 18 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

If you want @Czello: @Oknazevad: here are some thoughts from Jim Ross about the War. Also, Jericho has spoken a lot about the subject. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 14:55, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Re: ratings

Oknazevad you have provided no reason this info should remain. There is no prose which explains why it is so important and therefore no sources which explain why it is so notable as to be included. As it stands it is in clear violation of WP:NOSTATS. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 23:22, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Didn't you get topic banned from pro wrestling articles for tendentious editing like this?

Anyway, the entire article is the context. Just because you refuse to acknowledge that fact despite being told by all the editors who reverted you when you tried to pull the same stunt back in July doesn't make it less true. Removal has no consensus, and continued attempts will result in you being taken to ANEW. oknazevad (talk) 02:40, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]