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Re: Puccio

Apologies for the way I worded it in the edit summary; definitely had no intention to offend, but you definitely have to be wary of other websites taking content from here to fill any spaces on a specific person. Now, I hadn't viewed the Puccio bio on the Sky page until when I edited the article, and thus had no idea that the original text entered by yourself had been there longer than it had been on the Sky page. Hence, where my accusation of a copyvio came in. So yeah, many apologies...and just write it in a confusing way so that the other websites can't steal the content! Ha. Craig(talk) 15:07, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Ah, terrific. Hopefully with your help, we can get the 2012 season page like last year's page. Hopefully just as many successes, although more than 28 will be an achievement for the team I feel. Craig(talk) 15:52, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Re: Ricco

Your calling Ricco "one of the most promising talents of Italian and international road cycling" is not a neutral point of view. 72.225.17.226 (talk) 15:19, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Ive no idea why you put this on my talk page. I didnt make that edit. I purely put a single line in the first paragraph linking to the impartial eurosport report. Personally that entire final line "This set the end of the professional career of one of the most promising talents of Italian and international road cycling." should go because its not clear his career will be over, its not neutral, there may yet be an appeal etc. Dimspace (talk) 16:49, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

policing LA's entry - bravo

Surprised to see you policing the entry of Lance Armstrong to ensure that info such as TdF "wins" aren't "deleted"/removed until such time as officially stripped. Bravo. joepa^T 03:49, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

I think if left the page will quickly degenerate into chaos. Its important that once he is banned, that the page be well written and accurately reflects teh whole story. everyone going mad now and just deleting stuff will just get teh page locked down the line.

Lance Armstrong

Are you stupid? Lance Armstrong has been banned for life, stripped of 7 Tour win as reported by USA Today, The Washington Post, Yahoo Sports and other sources. Sk8terguy27 (talk) 02:19, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

You seem to be well informed on the issues. There has been an attempt at WT:CYC to get a centralised discussion, although it is, rather illogically, located at talk:1999 Tour de France. Your contribution would be useful. Kevin McE (talk) 20:04, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm rather concerned that you have struck the results of Hincapie/Barry etc as though those removals are ratified, while we are holding off doing that for the ring leader. Kevin McE (talk) 06:06, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

The results of Hincapie, Barry etc have all been ratified. They have all accepted their bans and signed afidavits to that effect accepting their bans, stripping of results and prize monies, as they have accepted them thats it, theres no reason for the UCI to ratify the results stripping, all that can happen is UCI to appeal the length of the bans. In the case of Armstrong, he hasnt accepted the ban, the governing body hasnt accepted the decision so its a different situation. Trust me, im completely anti armstrong, but, when his page is changed, we need to make sure thats its an accurate portrayal of him and what a peice of crap he really is. have patience. Dave Dimspace (talk) 12:26, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

I certainly knew that you were no Pharmstrong-ite: I hadn't intended any criticism of that. I knew you too well on another forum, Mr TSF (I am AC in that "other place"), to suggest that: it just looked odd, not biased. But I wasn't aware that the processes in their cases had been thus expedited. I also agree with you that striking through is the correct way to do such things (and spent some time applying exactly that method to Valverde's results for early 2010) Kevin McE (talk) 18:17, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

No worries. Ultimately, to get the right results on the Lance Armstrong page, we have to play things totally by the book, have patience, be the voice of logic and reason, and come the time for edits, amidst the idiots, be the voices that determine how the page is edited. Dimspace (talk) 18:22, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

		The Original Barnstar
		For your contributions pertaining to the Lance Armstrong doping scheme on the articles of the blokes whose results have been voided, I award you the original Barnstar! Keep up the good work! Mattaidepikiw (Talk) 02:33, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Changing all those freaking results everywhere will be a daunting task, CS-Wolves thinks we should wait to see what the corrupted lawful blokes at the UCI will decide to do. Nice to "know" you :) Mattaidepikiw (Talk) 02:33, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

I also wanted to say thank you for your work on the Armstrong article. Way to keep it NPOV. ~Adjwilley (talk) 22:11, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Have you ever taken any journalism or editing classes? You are obviously lacking in NPOV. LA's activites as a tri-athlete are negligible and EASILY dwarfed by just about everything else in his life. It is well covered in later entries and DO NOT merit a mention in the leading paragraph, unless you are trying to sanitize his image. It is very regrettable but Mr. Armstrong's greatest legacy now will be sorry one: the most notorious case of doping in the history of sports. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oprah999 (talk • contribs) 18:50, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

That is what you think. Why don't you put the fact that he was engaged to Sheryl Crow, a very major artist and world-famous celebrity, in the lead paragraph? That bit of information would be much more important to a lot of people, than the fact that he participated in endurance competitions after retiring from cycling. You are either biased in favor of LA, or in favor of minor endurance sports. Please educate yourself in information value and newsworthiness. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oprah999 (talk • contribs) 19:06, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

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What do you mean "and really no need for positive spin on when he can return"? Also, he really originally claimed he was poisoned, why remove it? Mattaidepikiw (Talk) 04:23, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

poisoning was unsourced. it was one of those rumours that was just flying around, he suggested a multitude of things, poisoning, supplement, accidental ingestion, not just poisoning. on the ban return, just slightly more npov to put the ban started on, rather than "he is free to ride". there is still time for either he or the uci to appeal. feel free to change it. Dimspace (talk) 16:05, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Oh, that's OK, you're right it was one of the rumors flying around, to list them all would be a little pointless. In hindsight, I agree :) Mattaidepikiw (Talk) 18:34, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

PS: By the way, Michael Rasmussen spilled the beans today. It's incredible how our beloved sport is getting hammered. I'd like to hear about football and tennis and all, I don't think they are very pure either... Mattaidepikiw (Talk)

tennis is very close to being blown apart. Keep an eye on what goes on in FLorida. As for football, the fuentes case is ongoing and so far the spanish courts have blocked the release of his little black book containing all the names. Spainish authorities are doing their very best to sweep the whole thing under the carpet and protect their football teams Dimspace (talk) 20:50, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Yes, the judge said Fuentes does not have to name any other athlete other than cyclists. Ridiculous! I hope people will speak up. Mattaidepikiw (Talk) 22:14, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

I edited the Eufemiano Fuentes article, with today's news, if you want to help, it would be appreciated, especially on the Operacion Puerto article, I don't want to just copypasta stuff and I'm tired tonight. Just a suggestion, not an obligation of course. I appreciate you npov disposition. (BTW, you seemed to have angered a Lance Armstrong basher above! Funny read lol) Mattaidepikiw (Talk) 01:02, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

yeh, the irony is, as far as Armstrong goes I have been one of the most vocal against him for many many years. COuntless articles done. And when Bicycling magazine in america approached the leading social media people to comment on the interview, i was one of the five picked to write a peice. So when the biggest cycling magazine in america names you as one of the most influental people on social media at bringing down the armstrong myth its amusing to be called out as an armstrong lover.

On Puerto, I will have a look. .Im going to try and see if a friend of mine will come over and lend a hand. He runs dopeology.org and is one of the most knowledgable on puerto and has no pov issues, hes very factual. Hes doing some fairly good key point summaries on my forum http://velorooms.com/the-dark-side/operation-puerto/msg83323/#new so I might be able to bring him across. If not, I will ask his permission to use his summaries as a basis for some information as they cover the key facts. and then he credits where he gets his info so we would have no problem hunting down his original sources. Dimspace (talk) 19:07, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

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JTL's ToB "win"

Hey. I saw you reverted my edit to the 2012 Tour of Britain article, explaining "Anything Endura have said regarding his ban is relevant to JTL's page, not the TOB page which deals purely with the race". However, the sentence from the Endura statement wasn't about his ban, it was specifically about him being stripped of this race win. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:00, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

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Hour record

Hi there Dimspace, can you re-edit the tables in the article only some IP has come along and set them to auto-expand and the article looks a mess again. Is there a way to protect the article so IPs cant edit? XyZAn (talk) 15:57, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

I've un-done what the IP had done to the page, but iut of interest - could you set the two historical tables to auto-collapsed? Thanks XyZAn (talk) 16:12, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

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Concerning Talk:2017_Sibiu_Cycling_Tour#Removal_of_social_media_links

First of all, if you have problems with my edits then please address them properly to me.

Your statement contains numerous mistakes: "WP:ELMINOFFICIAL is very clear that aditional links are permitted if they are not linked to from teh main website or if they are significant." .. no .. that is not there. They are permitted under very few limited circumstances, and normally we list only one; and we only list them if "the additional links provide the reader with significant unique content and are not prominently linked from other official websites". The Romanian twitter is indeed not linked from the official website (but whether a Romanian twitter is of general interest to an English reading audience is questionable). The English twitter however could contain info, but that one is, prominently, linked and does not need to be linked again. "This is part of an ongoing edit war by user: Beetstra who appears to be on a one man edit war to remove social media links from wikipedia despite numerous complaints." .. no, this is not an edit war, over 99% of the removals do not even get reverted once, let alone that there is edit warring over it. It is also not one man, there are other editors doing the same, all according to policy/guideline (in fact, I removed them originally, you reverted them back in, and then another editor removed them on their own account). 'Numerous' is also questionable, on the thousands and thousands of links I have removed (and which generally stay removed), I have only received some complaints (with a similar magnitude of 'thanks'). The ones that have been reverted (and re-reverted ..) have all been discussed, and where necessary discussions have been escalated to WT:EL or WP:ELN, where constantly the decision has been kept up that these links do not belong. --Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} 13:40, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

You now are reinserting the links against three (3) other editors who keep telling you that you do not have consensus to include these links. You are one reinsertion short of a block, consider this your final warning. —Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} 19:15, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Dirk Beetstra Three editors, you are three people?? Dude, get a life. who exactly are you to be threatening me with blocking? PS. for future editions of that race you can do the pages because youve just lost the editor that put the work in.. So i fully expect to see you keeping those pages up to date and of the quality expected.. Dimspace (talk) 21:38, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Me, user:Stesmo, user:Klilidiplomus. Three. Three editors that you edit war with against continuing consensus that more than one official site is hardly ever allowed and that twitter feeds are generally discouraged. We have been trying to tell you continuously that those links are not suitable and should not be there. You choose not to repond to that, so here we are. I am not going to get involved in the contents of those pages, these edits are purely to get these pages in line with our policies and guidelines. —Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} 06:36, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Dirk Beetstra Dude you are flat out lying now. I have never had a single piece of communication with user:Stesmo, user:Klilidiplomus ever not once. Ive never even heard of them until now. NOthing on my talk page, nothing on their talk page, nothing on the article talk page. So enough with this, "We have been trying to tell you...." How can "we" apply if ive never even spoken to either of those editors EVER.. You have already admitted that you arent following the additional links to check if they are significantly different, you arent checking websites, you are just mass deleting tons of links without even checking. You even put things in the comments like "deleting blogs and fansites" how is a twitter link a blog or a fansite? that proves you arent even looking at what you are deleting. Youve admitted that. Now you are saying that two other editors have addressed this with me despite nothing on my talk page, nothing on their talk pages, and nothing on the article talk pages. You come across as a sad little man who has nothing better to do that mass delete things without even checking. what purpose does it serve? does it make you happy? does it leave you feeling fulfilled somehow? Anyway, keep off of my talk page now please. I dont need you hear, and certainly stop making things up by saying two other editors have contacted me which anyone can discover in a few minutes of checking simply isnt true. Dimspace (talk) 17:55, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Ever heard of edit summaries. —Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} 18:16, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Hello. Sorry for not popping in sooner here after the ping, User:Beetstra & Dimspace; I'm in the midst of some IRL commitments. Dimspace, you are correct. I haven't popped up here, as I had hoped my edit summary (with a link to WP:EL) would suffice. My edits were done inline with what Wikipedia and consensus have determined for the contents of External Links sections. In my EL section edits, I will remove Twitter links if there is already an official website listed. Especially when the subject themselves already link to all of their social media platforms from their official website. If the subject of the article has *only* one place under their control that we can link to and that is Twitter, there is no problem leaving it in the EL section. If all of the other links are dead, except for the Twitter link, then let's also keep the Twitter link. This is not the case here, though, is it?

I do hope you can find a way to continue editing Wikipedia whilst working alongside the relatively minor and easily observed WP:EL. Thanks, Stesmo (talk) 19:33, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

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Please do not remove maintenance templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Andy Lonergan, without resolving the problem that the template refers to, or giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your removal of this template does not appear constructive, and has been reverted. Thank you. Mattythewhite (talk) 21:47, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

User:Mattythewhite well stop deleting stuff while people are in the middle of edits. deleting his substitute appearance which was already sourced on the page, and would have taken you less time to copy across than start undoing things. You arent giving people time to finish their edits. I was in the middle of putting sources on for multiple years of the player of the year but you can do it yourself now. Dimspace (talk) 21:54, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

It doesn't take more than one edit to add a source. I see you've gone and done it again! Mattythewhite (talk) 22:02, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

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I bloomin well did not remove the maintenance edit again!!!!!!! Check the edits. Adding an internal link to another wiki page AND NOT REMOVING THE MAINTENANCE EDIT is not disruptive editing. Check the edits!! Yes i did originally. You posted on my page. So all i did after that was put an internal link in. I DID NOT REMOVE the ME. If you want to warn me im happy to take this further because everyone can see the edit I made and I did NOT remove the maintanance edit. There was zero reason for you to remove that last edit, it was a perfectly valid edit adding a link to another related page. Mattythewhite Dimspace (talk) 02:12, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

Added for evidence purposes. Screencap 231219 / 0215 utc - clearly did not remove maintenance edit. All was added was link to another wiki page which Mattythewhite saw fit to remove for no reason. Now either admit you made a mistake. Or get off my page with your threatening to ban people from editing because you messed up. Thank you. Im quite happy to take this further if you want to. The history clearly shows there was nothing wrong with that last edit. Dimspace (talk) 02:20, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

Mattythewhite While we are on the topic, your removal the text about him being on the bench for the club world cup final because it had no source. There was already a source present on the page and all you had to do was copy that ref in. Let me remind you of guidance on the wiki Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution guidelines for disputable content. "When you find a passage in an article that is biased, inaccurate, or unsourced the best practice is to improve it if you can rather than deleting salvageable text." Best practice is to improve it (ie. copy the source across), rather than deletion. So again, please dont start dishing out warnings at me when you yourself dont follow guidelines. Cheers. Dimspace (talk) 02:41, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

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Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to add unsourced or poorly sourced content, as you did at Andy Lonergan, you may be blocked from editing. Content not supported by source. Mattythewhite (talk) 16:57, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

That edit was in DECEMBER 2019 and was addressed then. Kindly do not come on my talk page threatening bans over an edit from 7 months ago especially when if you read up about 3" you will see you already dishing out warnings in December. Dimspace (talk) 01:44, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

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