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On 23 December 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from WWE Day 1 (2022) to WWE Day 1. The result of the discussion was not moved.

DO NOT ADD UNCONFIRMED MATCHES

Please do not add any unconfirmed matches. Yes, as of November 26th, Sami Zayn is the #1 Contender for the Universal Championship, however WWE has not announced a date for this match (if it even happens). All unconfirmed matches will be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.25.151.30 (talk) 13:52, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Request to lock page 11.12.21

Can we please lock this page, as someone vandalised the page by adding stupid comments and match stipulations (which I've now fixed). These were not funny and clearly the work of someone who was bored and has no life. Please lock this page to prevent any further vandalism. This is becoming a joke. Please lock this page!

LOCK THIS PAGE!

This page has been vadalised far too many times and I'm sick of trying to fix it. Lock it now to prevent any further valdalism. I'm not fixing it anymore. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.25.151.30 (talk) 20:26, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Sami Vs Shinsuke at day 1 142.134.216.125 (talk) 04:47, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 31 December 2021

This edit request to WWE Day 1 has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

E Josephedwinjackdavies (talk) 23:31, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Pupsterlove02 talk • contribs 23:39, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Move discussion in progress

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Requested move 26 October 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Bold move has been reverted. The open merger discussion is at Talk:WWE Day 1#Merging WWE Day 1 (2023). If the cancellation of the 2023 event is confirmed, I expect that WWE Day 1 (2023) and WWE Day 1 will both be deleted (making the proposed merge moot), and WWE Day 1 (2022) will move back to the base title. – wbm1058 (talk) 14:45, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

WWE Day 1 (2022) → WWE Day 1 – Merger of WWE Day 1 with WWE Day 1 (2022) and WWE Day 1 (2023) which was done without consensus.@Zk911912: 162 etc. (talk) 16:36, 26 October 2022 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). Dr. Vogel (talk) 17:35, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't look like this was a page move, so I'm not sure that this is the correct venue. I see there's history on the 2023 article. This might be better off handled via a formal RM. - UtherSRG (talk) 17:30, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Started an RM on this. Dr. Vogel (talk) 17:35, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging participants @162 etc., @UtherSRG, @Zk911912 Dr. Vogel (talk) 17:36, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment It seems that the article history ended up here. 162 etc. (talk) 17:40, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Professional wrestling has been notified of this discussion. UtherSRG (talk) 17:42, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment To clarify, since this is messy:

The current article WWE Day 1 2022 was at the title WWE Day 1.

WWE Day 1 (2022) is at its correct and stable title.

WWE Day 1 (2023) was bold merged, which I have now undone.

So moving WWE Day 1 2022 to WWE Day 1 will bring us back to the status quo ante bellum, which is what I recommend here. The merger discussion is also ongoing at Talk:WWE Day 1 2022. 162 etc. (talk) 17:52, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@162 etc.: yes, messy indeed. Your request (in the template) was to move WWE Day 1 (2022) (the page hosting this discussion) but now you say move WWE Day 1 2022.

WWE Day 1 (2022) was the original article created 15 October 2021‎, when this was just a one-off event (which it still might be). – wbm1058 (talk) 19:33, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
WWE Day 1 2022, an obvious title-fork, was created 5 August 2022‎ after the second "annual" event was announced, as the "broad-concept" article about the annual event series.

Need clarification as to whether the one-off event or the annual event series is considered "status quo ante bellum", given that the existence of the second annual event is in doubt. – wbm1058 (talk) 19:33, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Right, the "broad-concept" article was moved by User:Zk911912 to the title WWE Day 1 2022 which is unintuitive; I believe moving it to WWE Day 1 should be uncontroversial. To clarify, I do not recommend moving WWE Day 1 (2022) at this time.

Whether we need all three articles is certainly debatable; I've linked the merger discussion above. Until that discussion is resolved, all three articles should stay. 162 etc. (talk) 19:39, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

To optimize the messy confusion, the merger discussion is happening on the other page, at Talk:WWE Day 1 2022#Merging WWE Day 1 (2023), and is leaning against the merge until there is an official announcement of the cancellation of the second annual event. Meanwhile some joker has redirected WWE Day 1 to WWE. It's like Wikipedia itself is a WWE event. – wbm1058 (talk) 19:50, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A bit annoyed that I wasn't pinged anywhere (as I originally created the articles), but what's more concerning is that someone decided to do a round-robin redirect for WWE Day 1, even though there was an ongoing discussion in place. As I mentioned on the other move discussion, no moves should have been made until confirmation that the 2023 event is canceled. JDC808 ♫ 01:32, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

However there was a notice posted at User talk:Zk911912#WWE Day 1, and that editor has chosen not to respond here. We're done here. – wbm1058 (talk) 14:35, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Requested move 23 December 2023

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The result of the move request was: not moved I have reviewed the conversations that took place here along with the applicable policies. I also Googled the names in question which brought up the pages WWE Day 1 2022 and Raw WWE Day 1 results: Jan 1, 2024 on wwe.com. I feel confident that consensus has been reached.(non-admin closure) Dr vulpes (Talk) 04:16, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WWE Day 1 (2022) → WWE Day 1
WWE Day 1 (2024) → Raw Day 1

– Articles were recently moved without discussion. The 2022 event was known as "WWE Day 1", whereas the upcoming event is being billed as "Raw Day 1"[1]. No parentheticals required. 162 etc. (talk) 17:39, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It should be moved, as the 2024 Raw episode is called Raw Day 1, and not 2024 Day 1, like how SmackDown: New Year's Revolution isn't New Year's Revolution 2024. YoloMc8562 (talk) 06:35, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@YoloMc8562 the SmackDown one was New Year's Revolution (2024) (as it should be) but got moved. The articles should retain the same naming convention as past events unless they are legitimately a different name (like "Backlash" and "WrestleMania Backlash"). In the cases here, these are episode titles. We typically do not include the TV program's name in the title of the article for a special episode (there are exceptions, like Raw is XXX). As for the Day 1 articles, as per a previous discussion before the 2023 event got canceled, "WWE" is included for further disambiguation. JDC808 ♫ 21:32, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I fail to see how any of this overrides WP:COMMONNAME. Sources refer to this event as "Raw Day 1", so that's the title the article should use. 162 etc. (talk) 20:22, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It is confusing and unnecessary to exclude "raw" from the name. The original Day 1 was a Pay-Per-View event, rightfully listed as "WWE Day 1 (2022)." However, as it is an episode of Raw, it should not be listed the same way a Pay-Per-View event is. It is not merely promoted as "Raw: Day 1"; the show is named that way. WWE has referred to it as Raw Day 1, the universally recognized official name. At most, WWE or anyone would use the term "Day 1" as a shortened name. A shortened name shouldn't be the title of a wiki article over the universally recognized show name in my opinion. Wiknown77 (talk) 05:22, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - As with JDC808. Hansen Sebastian^Talk 04:40, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - I also accepted a JDC808 side --Miki1234568 (talk) 21:52, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose and Comment - I agree with JDC808's decision on keeping the page names as is. I also believe that as we have for Bragging Rights (and other PLEs with not very many events), there should be a main page for the event concept as a whole, with a list of all its respective premium live events and television specials in chronological order. If we keep the pages with their years, as they are now as "WWE Day 1 (2022)", and "WWE Day 1 (2024)", we can have a newly-created article in WWE Day 1 (if we break the redirect to the first event), and it could serve as the main even series page. In addition, New Year's Revolution (2024) hasn't been titled SmackDown New Year's Revolution (2024), it fits in with the event history, and is accessible from visiting WWE New Year's Revolution. Mechanical Elephant (talk) 22:21, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'd argue that WP:COMMONNAME also applies to SmackDown New Year's Revolution. Again, Wikipedia "prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable, English-language sources.)" 162 etc. (talk) 18:42, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Subject Change

I agree with everyone else. Instead of it just being Day 1, since it was on Raw, it should be renamed to keep the accuracy on top. Itsfightnight321 (talk) 06:39, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]