Talk:Vote for pimp

Contested deletion

This article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because... 1- the expression is used in the Egyptian culture, not specifically for a specified person 2- many reliable sources such as BBC, Keyhole.com, Aljazeera already reported same news 3- it is very well known and common hashtag as per Keyhole website for tracking tweeter hashtags --Andri Kuawko (talk) 19:44, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Please merge with corresponding article. Please see WP:WEB for notability. Coderzombie (talk) 19:59, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

what is the corresponding article, there is no one for this that was why i created it. Can you send me the link to the corresponding article? Andri Kuawko (talk) 20:02, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Consider including the information in 2013 Egyptian coup d'état or Egyptian presidential election, 2014 rather than creating a separate article for it. Coderzombie (talk) 20:04, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

it can not be, as it not related to the coup or the elections, it is old expression in the culture (as far as i know) but it is used now in politics, this is totally different tracks, if what you are say is the right logic, then we should put the page of Sisi (coup leader) under 2013 Egyptian coup d'état rather than creating a new page for him. Andri Kuawko (talk) 20:10, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

"Pimp" (عرص‎) is a derogatory insult and it is popular in Egyptian culture, that is true. But "vote for the pimp" as a whole is not part of "Egyptian culture" as you claim here. This article makes it appear as if it is very notable in Egypt. Well it's not. And it's also not notable among Arabic news websites. It is only used by some of his opponents and this is not the kind of hashtag that deserves its own article.

then we should put the page of Sisi (coup leader) under 2013 Egyptian coup d'état rather than creating a new page for him - This person is certainly a hundred times more notable than a hashtag and you don't get to merge a WP:BLP since there's no such event called "el-Sisi" to be included in the coup article. To be honest, i don't really understand your analogy, but it definitely falls flat.

If there are at least 3 independent editors here who agree that the article should be deleted, i will open up an AfD discussion. Merging is also an option but i already see this mentioned fairly in Abdel Fattah el-Sisi, so there's no need to merge in my opinion. Thoughts? Fitzcarmalan (talk) 15:19, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

I agree with you. Let's put up an AfD. Coderzombie (talk) 15:51, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Such Articles created for insulting/attacking someone are subject to speedy deletion not AFD request per Wikipedia:Attack page, That's why several admins approved it's removing before.Amr Tarek^{Say Hello!}, 17:13, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Oppose deletion, The article has not been created to insult someone and it is based on data obtained from reputable sources. For more assurance you could consult social media trending showcasing, this particular hashtag is a trend in the Egyptian community and not an insult in particular. Please stop vandalism and let us continue discussion further rationally--M. Hassan talk here 17:34, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

What Egyptian Community? Put your hate of the man aside. Amr Tarek^{Say Hello!}, 17:44, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

I know related articles have been deleted twice on the grounds that they are attack pages. My impression is that they have been fundamentally neutral articles about an expression that is an attack—one that from first glance at the footnotes, seems notable. An article about an attack isn't an attack. There have been people who've added attack language to the articles. Those people are disruptive and their contributions were removed. I believe the article is basically sound. —Largo Plazo (talk) 17:56, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Oppose deletion, I do not see the reason why this topic has to be deleted each time! Amr Tarek, please consider the effort other contributors put through before you mark for deletion and if possible please edit the error you see in the article instead of nominating it for deletion.--M. Hassan talk here 18:23, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

@Largoplazo: - I agree that this article shouldn't be removed on the pretext that it's an attack page because it's not. It is about an attack, like you said. But it doesn't warrant an article of its own in my opinion and the least we can do is a merge. I also personally don't think there is a potential for it to be expanded more than that because there's nothing much to add and, currently, 1/4 of the article describes how the word "pimp" is popular in Egyptian culture, not the hashtag.

@Amrtarek: - Please don't accuse. There's still a chance to discuss in case more editors agree about an AfD, so please let's not waste it by accusing others. Regards.

@Mohamedhp: - I appreciate your effort, but that article just doesn't sound notable enough in my opinion. You can keep editing the page while the speedy deletion tag is there. Only admins should remove it (when there's a reason to do so).

Fitzcarmalan (talk) 18:40, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

• Oppose the deletion: i have been across the news for last 5 days and i noticed no one of the oppponents says "Vote for El-Sisi the pimp", they only said "Vote for the pimp", the supporters of the coup and el-sisi interpreted and projected it on Sisi, that is why and how it became against him. they implicitly understood that when this statement is spoken then it will be about Sisi, while its explicit meaning is not about him at all. now the slogan has become very famous and With or without wikipedia it is very well known.Andri Kuawko (talk) 18:32, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Oppose deletion, @Fitzcarmalan: thanks for your kind remarks. However, I see the topic of an independent potential as it has already evolved over the past few days from possible being only about the Sisi candidature, to being a funny slogan. This can be seen from comics made around the hashtag and yet not in the hashtag form using "#". @Andri Kuawko: thanks for the effort you have put forward in this article--M. Hassan talk here 18:57, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Oppose deletion, Please do watch this video report to understand the topic further http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8c-UtZDIGyI It is about a political trend on social media and on the streets--M. Hassan talk here 19:02, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Guys, please make start your comment with bold word of "Oppose" or "Support" so that it will be easy to see the points for each member. @Mohamedhp:, @Largoplazo: and @Coderzombie: Thanks for your constructive contributions. Andri Kuawko (talk) 19:07, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

@Andri Kuawko: thanks for pointing that out.