Talk:Volubilis

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I read in a book about morocco written by dutch historian that the word volubilis is taken from the berber word "Alili" which means "oleandor". The moroccan name is almost the same (walili). Read3r 18:37, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

sentence doesn't make sense

"He died in 791, leaving a pregnant Awraba wife, Kenza, and his faithful slave, Rashid, who acted as regent until the majority of Idris II"

What does "who acted as regent until the majority of Idris II" mean?

--Agamemnus (talk) 21:34, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

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Reviewer: Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:20, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

• Okay. I will review this - I'll make straightforward copyedits as I go and jot notes below: Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:20, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Look for all superfluous mentions of "Volubilis" - e.g. don't use it in section headings.

• Done. Prioryman (talk) 00:08, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

be good to see this at FAC one day - if so, please add locations to book publishers.

• Done. Prioryman (talk) 00:08, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Built in a very fertile agricultural area..... - is "very" necessary here?

• Fair point, I've taken out that word. Prioryman (talk) 21:03, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

"about" 40 hectares is better as 100 acres, not 99...

• Done. Prioryman (talk) 21:03, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

I'd link bluff, olive oil, suffetes.

Changed bluff to ridge, linked olive oil, suffete was already linked. Prioryman (talk) 21:03, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

It remained loyal to Rome despite the revolt of Aedemon in 40–44 AD.. - I think this sentence works better with an adjective or two describing who Aedemon is...

• I've added a brief explanation. Prioryman (talk) 21:03, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Can we link Berber Baquates somewhere?

• Done. Prioryman (talk) 21:03, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Cordoba isn't in Granada...? Granada province? link please....also, anywhere Rabedis can link to?

• I've added a more generic link to Al-Andalus. No luck with the Rabedis - they seem to be pretty obscure. Prioryman (talk) 21:03, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Although much of Volubilis has yet to be excavated, a number of prominent public buildings still stand (albeit reconstructed), as does a triumphal arch. - any estimate of what percentage has been excavated so far?

• About half - I've added this to the article. Prioryman (talk) 21:03, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

A large tumulus of uncertain origins - "origin" surely?

• Yes - I've changed this. Prioryman (talk) 21:03, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

The House of Venus, towards the eastern side of the city under a prominent cypress tree, was one of the most luxurious houses in the city - change "houses" to "residences"?

• Done. Prioryman (talk) 21:03, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

more later - hopping off keyboard for a bit.

• Yes, what a splendid article, makes me want to go back to Volubilis. Should clear GA easily, the mention of FAC is entirely appropriate. Will do minor edits (if any needed) and comment here if I've anything to add. Chiswick Chap (talk) 17:22, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

"Although Jane's ill-health meant that they were unable to carry out the programme of work that they drew up for Lyautey,[28] the work went ahead anyway under Louis Chatelain.[27] They were assisted by thousands of German prisoners..." So who is the "they" in the last sentence? Chiswick Chap (talk) 17:32, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

• The French archaeologists, minus the Dieulafoys - I've clarified this. Prioryman (talk) 21:08, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

I can't read The Volubilis Project - it's telling me "access forbidden"...?

I'm getting the same thing. How annoying! It's the official website of the current excavation project so it's an absolutely critical resource. Fortunately I've found a snapshot of the site on the Wayback Machine so I'll have a go at replacing the dead links. Prioryman (talk) 21:47, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Now resolved. Prioryman (talk) 22:32, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

It is rather artlessly executed, as the animals are all of different sizes and face in different directions, with no relationship to Orpheus. - the first clause (bolded to illustrate) comes across as POV. I'd leave it out and let the statements speak for themselves.

It reflects the source, Paul MacKendrick, so I've attributed this bit of art criticism in the article. Prioryman (talk) 08:50, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Ok - attribution is good. Casliber (talk · contribs) 09:26, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

who had something of a Hercules fixation. - could be worded more neatly..say "who was obsessed/fixated with Hercules."

I've reworded this. Prioryman (talk) 08:50, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

File:Volubilis map.png should have some written source for the information depicted?

I've added some info. Prioryman (talk) 22:44, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Errr, I'm worried that sends it into OR territory - how does it compare with official maps? It would be much safer to attribute the information and layout to a reliable source....you really wanna be able to correlate the info to published material Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:21, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Not really - I checked it against the map in Ethel Davis's book and a larger-scale version of the Volubilis Project's map (you can see a smaller version archived here. My version is obviously very much simplified, partly to make it work at the smaller resolution and partly to avoid treading on anyone's copyright, but it's accurate - everything that I've annotated is where it's supposed to be. Prioryman (talk) 23:47, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Okay then, it'd be highly prudent to cite those sources on the map page Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:08, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

OK, done. Prioryman (talk) 00:15, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

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Pass or Fail: - great, well done.I think it is within striking distance of FAC - I could foresee some discussion on whether the layout of images is ok ('twas fine by me). Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:36, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

What about those mosaics exposed to sun and weather?

Are these ingenious mosaics still exposed to weather and sun? Or are they covered at least? If not, why are the responsible "archeologists" rather destroyer than scientists? They should preserve, not destroy... --178.197.236.93 (talk) 19:51, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Yes, they are still very much exposed to the elements. There isn't any covering for the mosaics. Unfortunately this has led to some bleaching of the colours, as can be seen in e.g. File:Volubilis mosaic Four Seasons.jpg. This is mostly the fault of the Moroccan government, which has reportedly given only a minimal amount of funding to preserve the site. Prioryman (talk) 23:04, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

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Translation text on Triumphal Arch

I think "IMPERATORI IIII" should be translated as "Victorious Commander for the 4th time", not "Emperor for the 4th time": Caracalla was emperor only once, from 198 to 217. Note: Caracalla's full name, as emperor, was Marcus Aurelius Severus Antoninus Augustus, and the "Augustus" was the recognition that he was Emperor. Simon Crase (talk) 20:59, 1 January 2018 (UTC) See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperator#Imperator_as_an_imperial_title Simon Crase (talk) 23:30, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

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I have added a link to a Manar al-Athar image archive, hosted by the University of Oxford. It has a variety of images of the site from different angles, with attributions so they can easily be used in academic and other work. Viollettay (talk) 11:00, 29 June 2022 (UTC)