Talk:Voice confrontation

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 19:07, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

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• ... that voice confrontation is the phenomenon of people disliking the sound of their own voices?

  Source: In fact, not liking the sound of your own voice is so common that there’s a term for it: voice confrontation. from Jaekl, Philip (12 July 2018). "The real reason the sound of your own voice makes you cringe". The Guardian. Retrieved 27 April 2020.

  • ALT1:... that studies on voice confrontation show that the average person dislikes their own voice because it reveals dissatisfying aspects of their own personality?

    Source: Through their experiments, the late psychologists Phil Holzemann and Clyde Rousey concluded in 1966 that voice confrontation arises not only from a difference in expected frequency, but also a striking revelation that occurs upon the realisation of all that your voice conveys. Not only does it sound different than you expect; through what are called “extra-linguistic cues”, it reveals aspects of your personality that you can only fully perceive upon hearing it from a recording. These include aspects such as your anxiety level, indecision, sadness, anger, and so on. from The Guardian article

  • ALT2:... that bilinguals experience voice confrontation and dislike their own voices in their native language more than in other languages?

    Source: bilinguals who learned a second language after the age of 16 showed more discomfort when hearing their recorded voices in their first language from The Guardian article, and Holzman, Philip S.; Berger, Andrew; Rousey, Clyde (1967). "Voice confrontation: A bilingual study". Journal of Personality and Social Psychology. 7 (4, Pt.1): 423–428. doi:10.1037/h0025233. ISSN 1939-1315.

  • ALT3:... that a 1967 study on voice confrontation found that bilingual people dislike hearing recordings of their own voice in their native language more than in other languages?

    Source: same as above

  • ALT4:... that women experience voice confrontation and dislike their own voices more than men do?

    Source:"Also, women with and without speech defects show a significantly greater semantic differential reaction to hearing their own voices than did the control group." from Weston, Alan J.; Rousey, Clyde L. (1970). "Voice Confrontation in Individuals with Normal and Defective Speech Patterns". Perceptual and Motor Skills. 30 (1): 187–190. doi:10.2466/pms.1970.30.1.187. ISSN 0031-5125.

  • ALT5:... that a 1970 study on voice confrontation found that women dislike hearing recordings of their own voice more than men do?

    Source: same as above

  • ALT6:... that a 1967 study on voice confrontation found that only 38% of people could identify recordings of their own voice within 5 seconds?

    ”Within the limits of 5 sec. of utterance and 3-mo delay between recording and playback, 38% of SS with moderate experience in hearing their own voices and with no professional interest in their own voice correctly recognized their own voices.” from Rousey, Clyde; Holzman, Philip S. (1967). "Recognition of one's own voice". Journal of Personality and Social Psychology. 6 (4, Pt.1): 464–466. doi:10.1037/h0024837. ISSN 1939-1315.
    ”One study, during which people were played recordings of their own voices, found that just 38% of people were able to identify their own voice immediately.” from Time magazine

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Clint Hocking
• Comment: The ALT hooks are probably more interesting, but are a bit longer and less simple.

Created by MarkH21 (talk). Self-nominated at 17:03, 30 April 2020 (UTC).

• Starting review

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: —valereee (talk) 15:10, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi, MarkH21, this is a fascinating subject and I'm willing to review, but right now it's an immediate fail because it isn't long enough. It needs to be at least 1500 characters of prose, and right now it's only 631 characters. —valereee (talk) 15:10, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

@Valereee: Thanks for starting the review! Sorry, I anticipated fleshing out the article within a few hours of creating the DYK nomination but I didn’t get around to it yet. Will do so soon! — MarkH₂₁^talk 15:37, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

No worries, just ping me when you're ready! 15:44, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

@Valereee: Article updated! Working on the QPQ now. — MarkH₂₁^talk 20:45, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

@Valereee: QPQ done. Also just want to note that I personally prefer ALT4/ALT5 as more interesting than the others. — MarkH₂₁^talk 09:02, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

• I'd like to build an ALT around the fact that most people can't identify their own voice within 5 seconds? —valereee (talk) 20:52, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

  @Valereee: Sure! I just added ALT6, but feel free to modify it! — MarkH₂₁^talk 21:16, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

• Checking alts now:

ALT0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 cited at the sentence. —valereee (talk) 16:47, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Good to go with any of the offered ALTs. Nom prefers 4 or 5, I prefer 6, but I actually think this is such a high-interest subject that any of the alts work. —valereee (talk) 16:50, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

I'm actually okay with any of the ALTs, and I'm not so sure I have a preference anymore :) — MarkH₂₁^talk 20:06, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

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Hey, Megaman en m, I'm not sure I see either of those problems -- two of the most heavily used sources are Time and Guardian, from 2017/2018. —valereee (talk) 13:42, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

As this is a psychological article, I'd like to see more psychology sources. Those exist, but they're all about 50 years old (except for the one that got added after my edits). As far as I could tell they were also all primary sources. The news sources are valid, but for science articles I'd prefer to have sources from journals or textbooks.--Megaman en m (talk) 14:09, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

It’s a valid point; I’ll look for more recent academic sources that describe voice confrontation. — MarkH₂₁^talk 14:19, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

This 2012 book discusses these experiments, as well as other experiments during the 1970s, which could be used to further expand the article. It at least provides a secondary academic reference. It appears that most post-1970s references, including a 1995 book by Holzman, actually call the phenomenon "self-confrontation". — MarkH₂₁^talk 15:32, 25 May 2020 (UTC)