Talk:Voice – Social Democracy

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English or Slovak article title?

Hi, are there any sources in English establishing "Voice" as the common use title? The Slovak Spectator uses "Hlas" [1], and that seems definitely more recognisable to me. Jdcooper (talk) 15:00, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I found these sources: 1, 2, 3, 4. Bedivere.cs (talk) 13:47, 15 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I did a quick survey a while back, it seemed roughly half-and-half. Certainly Slovak people use "Hlas" when talking in English, as far as I'm concerned that's the name of the party. I think our article should reflect that. Jdcooper (talk) 18:28, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox Ideology: Populism

@Jdcooper In this edit, you have removed the tag Populism from the infobox, reasoning that 'unsourced and "populism" is very poorly defined at the best of times)'.

However, as of now, the introductory section contains the following sentence:

"Voice – Social Democracy has been described as a catch-all party^[1]^[2] of a populist nature,^[3] often reluctant to take positions opposed by a significant segment of the electorate.^[4]"

This sentence, sourced by four citations, sort of sources and justifies the "Populism" classification of the party, does not it?

If you or anybody else still insist on not listing Populism in the infobox, please do specify another reason than "unsourced" because the claim has been, in my view, properly cited.

References

^ Kern, Miro (January 25, 2021). "Pellegrini berie hromadne voličov koalície, ulovil ich už viac ako 100-tisíc (+ grafy)". Denník N.
^ Gális, Tomáš (June 29, 2020). "Dutý Pellegriniho Hlas". Denník N.
^ Knapko, Pavel (November 12, 2020). "Pellegrini na Matoviča udrel anketou. Lacný populizmus, hlásia odborníci!".
^ "Populizmus a zúfalý pokus o oslovenie voličov, reaguje politológ na návrh smerákov". Webnoviny.sk. February 11, 2020.

Alpyn (talk) 17:16, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Alpyn:, thanks for opening this discussion. The ereport.sk citation, if it is a reliable source (I have no opinion on that as I don't know the background on Slovak sources) merely accuses Hlas of "resorting to populist tactics". To me this isn't enough to support the claim that Hlas's ideology is "populist". Not saying that Hlas is not a populist party (which Slovak party isn't?), just that the source doesn't establish that. Jdcooper (talk) 03:58, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hey @Jdcooper, I dug deeper into all of the provided resources, and I agree with what you have said. Populism is somehow being addressed just in the ereport.sk article, where the following statement of a sort of reputable Slovak political commentator, Mr. Meseznikov, is quoted (poorly translated by me): "This is a recurring theme of Slovak national populists, from Mečiar to Fico. They have tried to organize motions to change the power relations several times."

So yeah, it is just an indirect statement; a bit of whacky to cite that information as an ideology for the Infobox.

By the way, by reading your profile, I assume you are not native to Slovakia. If so, I very much appreciate your participation in the Wikipedia articles about the contemporary Slovak politics. Of course, the locals' contribution is fantastic. However, it's more than handy to get the point of view that isn't that skewed by preconceived notions influenced by lay folks (and political memes!) living there. Thank you! 😊 Alpyn (talk) 04:36, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Color

I think the best color for Hlas-SD is a gradient between blue and red from the logo (~ #8A1039). The red color will cause confusion between Hlas-SD ( ) and Smer-SSD ( ), the Republic ( ) and the Good Choice ( ), who also use it. I would like to reach a consensus on the color of the party PLATEL (talk) 07:35, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I find that suggestion to be a perfectly acceptable solution.--Autospark (talk) 14:41, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Creation

"Pellegrini led Smer–SD electoral list in the 2020 Slovak parliamentary election, while still serving as party vice-chairman. After winning 170,000 more personal votes than Fico, Pellegrini called for a party convention and expressed his intention to run for party chairman.

The political party was announced on 29 June 2020 and registered by the Ministry of the Interior on 11 September 2020."

This is strangely written. We go from Pellegrini calling for a party convention with the implication that he was about to become the leader of Smer-SD, to that he formed his own party, with no explanation of what happened in between to cause this change. And this is important, because we a read needs to know WHY he started the party. And to answer that, you have to add what happened with that call for a party convention (did it happen or didn't it). Criticalthinker (talk) 05:49, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[auto2-1] Kern, Miro (January 25, 2021). "Pellegrini berie hromadne voličov koalície, ulovil ich už viac ako 100-tisíc (+ grafy)". Denník N.

[auto4-2] Gális, Tomáš (June 29, 2020). "Dutý Pellegriniho Hlas". Denník N.

[3] Knapko, Pavel (November 12, 2020). "Pellegrini na Matoviča udrel anketou. Lacný populizmus, hlásia odborníci!".

[4] "Populizmus a zúfalý pokus o oslovenie voličov, reaguje politológ na návrh smerákov". Webnoviny.sk. February 11, 2020.

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