Talk:Vixen (web series)

Web Series

If this is a web series (being on CW Seed), should the page not be called "Vixen (web series)--Ditto51 (My Talk Page) 16:06, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

@Ditto51: I KNOW, RIGHT! I Named the wikipedia page first Vixen (Animated web show), but @Favre1fan93: changed it to Vixen (TV Series)The Ouroboros, the Undying, the Immortal (talk) 17:56, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Regardless of where it is released, it is still a TV series. The same thing could be said for any Netflix show, and that is not the case. I'll wait shortly for a response, but I'm moving the article back to TV series. It is overly disambiguated. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 04:04, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

That doesnt make any sense. it is specially made for an online platform, and we are categorizing it as a TV show, when it will never be aired on the TV. I mean Vixen, the german Prosieben channel already bought the rights to play Daredevil and Orange is the New Black. That would be like to categorize Justice League GOds and Monsters Chronicles as TV series even if it was made specially for Machinima: an online platform.The Ouroboros, the Undying, the Immortal (talk) 08:09, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

If it gets picked up for a live action series then it can be moved back, but it is currently being developed for an online platform. Daredevil and the other Netflix shows are called Tv shows in their announcements, this was called an animated web series. However, we could lose the animated part of the title.--Ditto51 (My Talk Page) 08:51, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

I agree with Ditto51The Ouroboros, the Undying, the Immortal (talk) 09:34, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Per this source, I'd suggest instead Vixen (miniseries). Per the purpose of disambiguation, this is the most generic, descriptive disambiguation, as there has been no other "Vixen" television media. This would supersede "web series", which could be further disambiguation should other media ever come to light. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 03:03, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

@Poroboros:, please note that I said I suggest that title, not go make this move right now. Please do not hastily make moves/edits like this. Your edit history has a few of these. @AlexTheWhovian:, please see the source I provided in my comment above, which states the series will be a six episode miniseries. I'd also invite you to join the discussion on what the title should be. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 03:52, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

I wasn't aware of this discussion, so my thanks for tagging me in it. I'd stick to "Vixen (animated web series)" for the time being, as all miniseries have the possibility of being renewed into a full series until officially stated otherwise, and as "web series" would indicated live-action to one who doesn't know better, and "TV series" indicates that it airs on television. Alex|The|Whovian 04:03, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

A few thoughts on Alex's comment: since when does animation need extra disambiguation? When we say something is a series, that doesn't mean it is live-action. Also TV series does not indicate it airs on television. Just because television series used to mean series on television doesn't mean that that is what it means now. In fact, our article on the subject is called "Web television", not "Web series". - adamstom97 (talk) 04:10, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

No problem Alex. Back to the discussion, please see many of the article titles listed in this template. If they have disambiguation, many use "TV series". So I still stand by my comment that that is the disambiguation that should be used for this page. I'm also going to drop a note over at the TV project, as this discussion may be of interest to editors of that project. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 04:41, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

WP:NCTV doesn't specifically address series' not meant for broadcast. Pulling on my technical hat for a moment, the internet is not technically television so "TV series" isn't really appropriate. That said, digital technology and the internet are redefining many things that have been fairly well defined for many years so, "TV" may well come to include the internet. However (oops, better take that hat off) it might be better to use "web series" to indicate to readers that that this is not a traditional broadcast series. That said, we only disambiguate as necessary, so "animated" is not needed in the title at all. Please note that, even if it were, the word would be uncapitalised, i.e. "animated" not "Animated" as it is was until Wikipedical moved it a few minutes ago. --AussieLegend (✉) 05:46, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

I would have suggested that Wikipedical added their discussion to this before they moved it. Alex|The|Whovian 05:48, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Agreed. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 05:53, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

I'd say that the above discussion is focused primarily on whether to use "web" or "TV" in the parenthetical. Since no other Vixen article exists with these two terms, the "Animated" label should have been removed anyway per disambiguation guidelines, let alone the capitalization error. Ditto51 and AussieLegend had also mentioned that above. My bold move has nothing to do with the web vs. TV conversation. -- Wikipedical (talk) 16:12, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

And to add my two cents, at the moment in Vixen's case I'm leaning "web" series per many of the above arguments- since this originates entirely from CW's digital department and won't traditionally be airing on television. I admit this is of course problematic, re: Netflix, so in the future Wikipedia will need to clarify further. -- Wikipedical (talk) 16:20, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

This is definitely a web series, however, anything on Netflix is more along the lines of a TV show (budget, actors and whatnot) and Netflix itself is become basically another TV network, it just doesn't keep a schedule (everything is on demand), and you require a device capable of running Netflix and going online (Virgin Box, Game Console, Smart TV etc.) However, the case for what to disambiguate Netflix series as should be had here, but in the TV wikiproject talk page.--Ditto51 (My Talk Page) 16:39, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Vixen voice actress

I've hidden the Newsarama source, given they are still sourcing the info back to the unreliable sites. On top of this all, it appear this info is being gained from a scan of a TV Guide piece on the show. Given the unreliable nature of the sites, plus the fact that scans and images can be doctored, moving forward, the best option would be if someone has the TV Guide magazine with the info (maybe it's the upcoming Comic Con one?) and use that as a source. Or a reliable web source that does not say it gain the info from the unreliable sources. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:01, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Adding Constantine to related shows

In an interview with IGN (http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/08/12/arrow-constantine-will-help-bring-sara-lance-back?%20hub%20page%20%28front%20page%29 Arrow producer Wendy Mericle has said that the version of Constantine appearing on Arrow is the same version and character from the Constantine show, thus making the events of Constantine canon to this universe, and should therefore be on the list of related shows. Ttll213 (talk) 23:52, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

Episode Table

Do we really need an episode table if it is to consist of just one row? If the episode numberings are different between the episode, as well as the airdates, then they should be split into six different rows. Alex|The|Whovian 00:03, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

I definitely don't think we should have six rows, given based on how this episode was credited, the whole series is going to have the same director and group of writers. Also, given that each episode is 5 minutes, for a total of 30 for the series, we can make one large plot. And it doesn't appear that the eps have names, just being called Episode #. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 00:05, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

I'd argue that television series such as Humans have their episodes titled Episode #, and content such as that at List of Heroes episodes#Web-based minisodes are also web-based and only a few minutes each (less than Vixen) with the same writer and director, but each episode is listed separately. Is there even a point in having an episode table with only one row, when we could simply list the information in prose? Alex|The|Whovian 01:07, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

To me, it just seems like a redundancy, with the only thing changing is the air date and episode number. I'm open to other ideas and suggestions, but personally I feel that it's not worthwhile to have six rows. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 01:16, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

It seems to me that we're changing the summary every week as well, meaning that each episode should have its own row for its own summary. Alex|The|Whovian 17:09, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

If they aren't named and are only six minutes long, then why not just do away with the table and then just leave the summary with the director, writers and release date noted in a paragraph below or above.--Ditto51 (My Talk Page) 17:30, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

My intent was just to have one summary for the whole series, but I'm fine forgoing the table all together for just a paragraph. But as I've stated, given how short each episode is, and the fact that the creative team is the same for each episode, I don't feel it is beneficial to have rows for each episode. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:29, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Live-action appearances

The "Live-action appearances" kind of ends abruptly with its content, where it takes about the character herself, and ends with the possibility of Vixen appearing on Legends of Tomorrow, then no further content is given. With my recent edit, I added further content, but it was reverted. The character of Vixen does eventually appear in Legends season 2, even if it's not the same incarnation, so this should be noted. Perhaps something like "Another incarnation of the character does appear in the second season of Legends, as the grandmother of the version that appears in the web series", keeping it short, and then expanding upon it on the character's article. Thoughts? Alex|The|Whovian^? 05:55, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

I say that the information concerning Amaya is irrelevant to this article. That would belong on something like Arrowverse. This is an article about Vixen the web series; not the character Vixen. That being said, I don't see why the information would hurt this page by being present, so I would support its inclusion if a consensus is reached to do so. LLArrow (talk) 06:06, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

Similarly to what LL said, and what I said in my undoing of the edit, there is a fine line with adding the content with regards to it being relevant to this article. It's possible something could be added, but again, this isn't the character article, and since the character in Legends is a different version, we should not dwell on it that much. Possibly if we flip the info around as you originally had it, so like this: It was originally intended for Echikunwoke to reprise her role in the second season of Legend of Tomorrow, but she was unable to do so due to previous commitments.[ref] Maisie Richardson-Sellers was ultimately cast to portray Amaya Jiwe, the grandmother of McCabe who also operated as Vixen.[ref] That way we keep it more on the version of the character in this series, but don't go super in depth with Jiwe. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 20:13, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

That would be perfectly alright to add. I agree with not dwelling on it much, but the section itself is about the character, and should end in at least a one-sentence notice about the new arrangements. Alex|The|Whovian^? 21:24, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

I will go ahead and add that wording then, as I proposed. C/e as needed. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 21:38, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

"Recurring"

I noticed Atom and Black Canary are listed as recurring, but Green Arrow is listed as a guest. I'm confused; in this article's context, does "Recurring" mean "appeared in multiple episodes" or "appeared in multiple seasons"? -- 68.37.227.226 (talk) 21:01, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

Multiple episodes, but also across multiple seasons too. Green Arrow only appeared in one episode, if I recall. I could be completely wrong, and if I am, he should be in recurring too. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 04:55, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

Starling City vs Star City

AlexTheWhovian, the cast list reads "Oliver Queen / Green Arrow: A Starling City vigilante" under the section "Introduced in season 1". But the section "Introduced in season 2" reads "Katie Cassidy as Laurel Lance / Black Canary: A Star City attorney-turned-vigilante and a member of Oliver Queen's team." There is no mention of them being the same city, making the whole cast list look inconsistent. But if the "Introduced in season 1" section is only supposed to reflect whatever happened in the series to that point, I think it should be changed to "Oliver Queen / Arrow: A Starling City vigilante", since he did not take up the Green Arrow identity until Arrow season 4, when Starling City was renamed. Kailash29792 (talk) 12:51, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Kuasa McCabe listed at Redirects for discussion

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