Talk:Vivian Stranders

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A fact from Vivian Stranders appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 7 November 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Vivian Stranders, a British-born Jew, served as an officer in the Nazi SS?

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 14:48, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Stranders in British uniform

... that British Royal Air Force officer and First World War veteran Vivian Stranders (pictured) became a spy for the Weimar Republic and served as an officer in the Nazi SS?

Source: "STRANDERS was a former Royal Flying Corps officer ... At some point he was recruited by German Intelligence and in 1926 was discovered by SIS trying to persuade a Belgian national to provide him with both French and British military information intended for his German controllers. ... He joined the Waffen SS with the rank of Major" from: "Vivian Stranders". National Archives. 1 January 1926. Retrieved 2 October 2024.; the RFC became the RAF in 1918 and he continued to serve until 1921, see London Gazette refs in article.

ALT1: ... that evidence that former British Royal Air Force officer Vivian Stranders (pictured) was spying for Germany was found when he was investigated for bigamy in 1926? Source: "on 31 July 1926, Sir Vernon Kell brought some papers from MI5 to Norman Kendal, the Deputy Assistant Chief Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police, relating to one Vivian Stranders who was alleged to have committed bigamy ... on 31 July 1926, Sir Vernon Kell brought some papers from MI5 to Norman Kendal, the Deputy Assistant Chief Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police, relating to one Vivian Stranders who was alleged to have committed bigamy ... On 6 December, Special Branch were informed by M15 that Stranders, now resident in Germany, had been engaged on espionage on behalf of that country; that the matter had been placed by MI5 before the Director of Public Prosecutions; and that, on the facts given by MI5, the arrest of Stranders, on his next arrival in Britain, would be justified." from: Hennessey, Thomas; Thomas, Claire (15 July 2010). Spooks the Unofficial History of MI5 From M to Miss X 1909-39. Amberley Publishing Limited. pp. 274–276. ISBN 978-1-4456-0799-3.
ALT2: ... that the British-born Jew Vivian Stranders (pictured) served as an officer in the Nazi SS? Source: "13 June, a meeting was convened to discuss these recruitment difficulties. One of the attendees was SS-Major Vivian Stranders, an Englishman who had served in the British Army in the First World War before becoming a naturalised German in 1933 ... Astonishingly enough, this long-standing British member of the NSDAP and SS was also Jewish a fact known to at least some of his colleagues" from: Weale, Adrian (26 August 2010). The SS: A New History. Little, Brown Book Group. p. 244. ISBN 978-0-7481-2551-7.
Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/LaTasha Barnes

Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 887 past nominations.

Dumelow (talk) 07:32, 9 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

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Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
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QPQ: Done.

Overall: All three hooks eye-catching—ALT2 seems the most snappy. The QPQ submission is unresolved, awaiting drafter's response to queries. AntientNestor (talk) 12:43, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vivian Stranders was Jewish?

So someone in Germany said Stranders was Jewish. Is there any reliable documentation showing that one or both of his parents were Jewish? If not, is there any reliable documentation showing that Stranders converted to Judaism? Was he circumcised? The fact that someone who may have a rival or competitor said that Stranders was Jewish doesn't make it fact. I respectfully suggest that more research is needed before Stranders' alleged Jewishness is accepted as fact. 03:22, 7 November 2024 (UTC) 2603:800C:3A00:59B5:78DB:88B4:B204:76BB (talk) 03:22, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The citation is given above; you can see it is stated plainly as fact by Adrian Weale, without caveat. We can only follow what WP:Reliable sources say. Someone has since added that he was "born into a Jewish family" into the article, I don't believe this is supported by the source so will revert - Dumelow (talk) 07:29, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]