Talk:Vision (Marvel Cinematic Universe)

Nomenclature for the two Visions in WandaVision

There are sources referring to the two versions of Vision in WandaVision as Hex Vision and White Vision (e.g. "All of Your WandaVision Questions, Answered", "Why the WandaVision Finale Might Not Be the End of Vision's Story", "Paul Bettany Regrets Joke About ‘WandaVision’ Finale, Warns Fans Might Be Disappointed"). I think that is reason enough to adopt those terms for clarity. Pinging @JDDJS and Facu-el Millo: to discuss. BD2412 T 03:32, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Are you suggesting using them for every instance, or just in plot summaries where using "Vision" and "The Vision" can get very confusing? I'd be in favor of the second case if we put a hatnote or some other clarification. —El Millo (talk) 03:52, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

I would say that up until WandaVision there only is one Vision. It is now established, rather philosophically, that the Vision created by Wanda and seen throughout the show is not "real", so retrospectively I think it makes sense for all of the description within the show. BD2412 T 04:15, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

The thing is, while "White Vision" is arguably the common name now for The Vision, albeit not the official one, "Hex Vision" is hardly the common name for Vision. Hence, it would only be correct to use it when it lends itself to confusion. Now that I'm thinking about it, once we agree about "White Vision" being the common name, there is no need whatsoever to use "Hex Vision", because the confusion would already be cleared. Now, I still think the Cast section should say "Vision / The Vision", since that's the official credited name, and still only use "White Vision" for avoiding confusions. —El Millo (talk) 04:36, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

That is not a terrible compromise, though I think sources have adopted the terms noted for a reason. BD2412 T 04:46, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

They've generally adopted "White Vision", but they're split on "Hex Vision" as far as I've seen. Many use it, but many others stick to plainly "Vision". —El Millo (talk) 04:48, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Fair enough, then. BD2412 T 04:58, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

For the plot summary of episode 9 of WandaVision, user Facu-el Millo keeps reverting my grammar edits (for instance, "the White Vision") to his own version, spelled "the white The Vision". Could anybody PLEASE tell him that this spelling is grammatically incorrect?! DanielC46 (talk) 07:31, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Done, but this is not what this discussion is about. Plus, I only reverted you one time. —El Millo (talk) 07:52, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, anyway. Leaving that misspelling in an encyclopedia would have been an eyesore to any serious user. DanielC46 (talk) 07:57, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Pinging @Favre1fan93, Adamstom.97, Richiekim, Trailblazer101, TriiipleThreat, and IronManCap: if they want to participate. —El Millo (talk) 19:46, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Well, I guess in this context, ‘Westview’ Vision ought to just be ‘Vision’. ‘White Vision’ is a clear enough distinction on his own. When comparing the three ‘Visions’, I would probably call ‘Westview’ Vision as ‘Vision (WandaVision)’, like has been done for the relevant infoboxes, since this version only exists in the in-universe sitcom WandaVision. IronManCap (talk) 19:56, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

If we have to call this Vision by another name, we would have to call Loki in his series ‘alternate Loki’ or ‘2012 Loki’ for consistency, which is not a practical solution. IronManCap (talk) 19:59, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

I think we're only considering using the distinction where there are two version of Vision interacting with each other. Perhaps something like that will occur with Loki as well, but as it stands we only know of there being one at a time there. BD2412 T 20:34, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

White Vision should not be used because that's what outside sources have put a name to the SWORD/original Vision. Within the MCU, the SWORD/original Vision is "The Vision" and the Westview one is just "Vision". So that's how it probably should be referenced as. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 22:43, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

As written, it is confusing, and will confuse the average reader. BD2412 T 22:53, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Right. And this suggestion is only for cases like the plot summaries for "The Season Finale" at WandaVision, The Series Finale, here, and likely at Wanda Maximoff (Marvel Cinematic Universe), where things between Vision and The Vision can get very confusing. We don't even have to say "White Vision" as if it were some sort of proper noun, we can just say "the white Vision" as some have suggested. —El Millo (talk) 23:08, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

As noted, sources have generally taken it upon themselves to distinguish the two. Some use "Hex Vision" and "White Vision", some use "Red Vision" and "White Vision", some use "Vision" and "White Vision". If there are publications that are using something like "Vision" and "The Vision", they are in a distinct minority, because I haven't seen that outside of Wikipedia. BD2412 T 23:11, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

As far as I've seen, only official sources, those being the credits of episode 9 (Paul Bettany as Vision and The Vision), and Paul Bettany himself in an interview. —El Millo (talk) 23:21, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Then apply WP:COMMONSENSE. BD2412 T 23:47, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

If I’m not mistaken, ‘White Vision’ in the comics is referred to as ‘White Vision’, so there’s some basis there. IronManCap (talk) 23:01, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Is it? I have no idea. —El Millo (talk) 23:08, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

As their conversion about the ship of Theseus pointed out, neither of them are the original Vision but for simplicity sake Vision and White Vision work just fine.—TriiipleThreat (talk) 11:34, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

For official identification I think we should stick to "The Vision" for the original/resurrected character and "Vision" or "Vision (WandaVision)" for the Hex version, but I think it is fine to use White Vision in plot summaries and such where we need a better way of differentiating them. BTW, Shakman uses "White Vision" in this interview. - adamstom97 (talk) 06:43, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

Ok, I may have been wrong about the comics thing, but 'White Vision' still seems fine to me, as long as it’s left in quotation marks (e.g. "Vision confronts 'White Vision'...") IronManCap (talk) 22:33, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

I have added a lowercase descriptive "white" to distinguish the two, and a few other tweaks along those lines. BD2412 T 22:53, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

References

Thor as one of the creators of Vision

I am ambivalent about the removal of Thor as one of the creators of Vision. In the scene immediately following, Steve Rogers asks, "Thor, you helped create this?", and Thor replies that he has had a vision involving the Mind Stone, and hoped to keep its power on their side. There is an implication that his role was not just supplying electricity, but something more substantial. BD2412 T 14:52, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

I don't know, but it's ambiguous and he's not mentioned as a creator in later films. Mainly in Infinity War, when debating whether they could destroy the Stone without killing Vision, Banner lists everything that makes Vision and he lists Jarvis, Ultron, Tony, me, the Stone. No mention of Thor. —El Millo (talk) 18:12, 30 March 2021 (UTC)