Talk:Vishnu Bhagwat

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There seems to be no logical reason for the sentence "He was not marathi speaking but resided in Pune." Pune is pretty cosmopolitan city and moreover as a citizen of India he can reside anywhere and need not speak the same language. This sentence seems to be inserted with motivation to disown/disassociate him with the place of birth on account of being sacked and stripped of his rank of Admiral.

So, why was he sacked?

I think this is a pretty big hole in the article, as it currently stands. Lankiveil 03:21, 19 October 2006 (UTC).

He was sacked for a series of actions from him which were in deliberate defiance of the government , as stated in the article. Shyamsunder 16:55, 19 October 2006 (UTC).

There should be more on this - some specific details about the actions. Tintin (talk) 04:09, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Pardon my inequity but in what sense is the verb "sacked" used in this article? Xlegiofalco 04:49, 19 October 2006 (UTC)n

It means fired, I think, Xlegiofalco. Also, I think the section on his sacking should be moved down to be stated after describing his career. I know that the sacking is an important part of the piece, but I think it would be a cleaner article if sections were written to follow the chronology of his life and career. SailorAlphaCentauri 15:14, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

"Sacked" is a Commonwealth English word meaning roughly the same as "fired" in American English.

Some detail about exactly what the "actions from him which were in deliberate defiance of the government" were are needed, which was what I was originally getting at. Lankiveil 03:48, 20 October 2006 (UTC).

Kindly note that the article related to Admiral Vishnu Bhagwat is factually incorrect with respect to the sentence:" He was the first and only Chief of Naval Staff who was relieved from office while still serving and stripped of Admiral's rank as a punitive measure".

The following objections may be noted.

1. "only" is not correct as Admiral DK Joshi was also relieved of office after the government accepted his resignation in February 2014.

2. Admiral Vishnu Bhagwat was not strippped of his Admiral rank as he continues to enjoy the pay and associated facilities associated with the rank of an Admiral. His pension order dated 24 February 1999 including amendment dated 15 July 2011 (scan enclosed) both issued under the authority of the Government of India are testimony to this. Admiral Vishnu Bhagwat also continues to be invited for all official functions related to the Indian Navy including the International Fleet Review held in Visakhapatnam in 2015 where the President of India was also present.

I am bringing it to your notice because the opening paragraph cannot be edited. I am sure you would be aware of the case of General Douglas McArthur who also had differences of opinion with President Truman and was relieved of his duties. Further, you would also be aware of the differences of opinion that Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru had with General Thimmaya that are well documented in various books and articles. There is a constant search for harmony among the three principal stakeholders of national security: the political establishment, the civilian bureaucracy and the professional military. The issue of civil–military relations is a thorny issue in any democracy and India, being affected by its share of controversies, is no exception to the rule.

Therefore, in order to present a balanced opinion you may consider replacing the sentence by “He was the first Indian Chief of Naval Staff who was relieved from office while still serving due to serious differences of opinion with the Government related to the appointment of the then Deputy Chief of the Naval Staff and the handling of India's top-secret Advanced Technology Vessel (ATV) program".

Kindly add the following references to the article:

1. Constitution of India.

2. Navy Act, 1957.

3. Betrayal of the Defence Forces - Admiral Vishnu Bhagwat

4. AN UNJUST DISMISSAL. SUKUMAR MURALIDHARAN IN NEW DELHI Print edition : January 16, 1999, https://frontline.thehindu.com/cover-story/article30256314.ece, last accessed 2021/09/27.

5. India's Dreyfus case - AG Noorani. Frontline, print edition, 30 January 1999, , last accessed 2021/09/27. You will find enough references in this article that could also be added to the list of references in the article on Admiral Vishnu Bhagwat.

6. Book review, The Absent Dialogue, Economic and Political Weekly, 26 June – 03 July, 2021, https://www.epw.in/journal/2021/26-27/book-reviews/not-absent-dialogue.html, last accessed 2021/09/27.

7. The Absent Dialogue: Politicians, Bureaucrats, and the Military in India by Anit Mukherjee, New Delhi: Oxford University Press, 2020; pp xvii + 313

8. Vishal Thapar. Military has history of controversial supersessions (2014) , http://www.sunday-guardian.com/investigation/military-has-history-of-controversial-supersessions, last accessed 2021/09/27.

9. Sandeep Unnithan, Why the US won’t give India nuclear submarines https://www.indiatoday.in/india-today-insight/story/why-the-us-won-t-give-india-nuclear-submarines-1854818-2021-09-20, last accessed 2021/09/27.

10. India’s nuclear chronology, https://media.nti.org/pdfs/india_nuclear.pdf, last accessed 2021/09/27.

11. Bharat Karnad, "The Perils of Deterrence by Half Measures," Nuclear Weapons & Indian Security: The Realist Foundations of Strategy (New Delhi: Macmillan India Limited, 2002), pp. 657-658.

Akula1971 (talk) 18:20, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

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Political inclinations

He supported the Congress party in 1999 general elections. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.242.63.4 (talk) 10:27, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

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