Talk:Victoria Roshchyna

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Hilst talk 11:21, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

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• ... that the car of Ukrainian journalist Victoria Roshchyna was once fired on by Russian tanks?

• Source: "On March 7, last year she came across a battalion of Russian tanks, they fired in the direction of her car." Nemtsova, Anna (2023-10-04). "'Courage Award'-Winning Ukraine Reporter Goes Missing". The Daily Beast. Retrieved 2024-10-11. "On March 5, 2022, the car that Roshchyna was traveling in was shot at by Russian forces."Caruso, Carmela (2023-10-26). "Fears Grow for Ukrainian Journalist Missing Almost 3 Months". Voice of America. Retrieved 2024-10-11.

• ALT1: ... that Ukrainian journalist Victoria Roshchyna once refused to accept an award in person, so she wouldn't need to interrupt her reporting? Source: "She recalled how when the IWMF invited Roshchyna to the United States to accept the courage award in person, Roshchyna declined, saying she needed to keep reporting."Scott, Liam (2024-05-31). "As Russia confirms it jailed missing Ukrainian journalist, calls mount for her release". Voice of America. Retrieved 2024-10-11.
• ALT2: ... that the colleague of missing Ukrainian journalist Victoria Roshchyna reported on her disappearance in the hope that it would dissuade Roshchyna's captors from further torturing her? Source: "The Daily Beast on Wednesday published a report from Kyiv about the disappearance by Anna Nemtsova, a Russian journalist whom Lees Muñoz described as a friend and colleague of Roshchyna’s. “I think it’s time to raise hell and publish,” Nemtsova told Lees Muñoz. “At least if she’s in the basement, they’ll stop torturing her.”"Pietsch, Bryan (2023-10-23). "Ukrainian journalist missing in Russian-occupied territory". The Washington Post. Retrieved 2024-10-10.
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• Comment: The Daily Beast can be opiniated, and tends towards sensationalist presentation, but its facts seem good here.Found a VoA source to corroborate the car shooting, and it went into more detail anyway. In Alt3, "in the basement" is an apparent reference to the Russian government. If somebody else reads it and agrees with me that I'm not misreading the WaPo article, I'd be happy to amend the article/hook.

Created by GreenLipstickLesbian (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 03:18, 11 October 2024 (UTC).

• I like the ALT0 here, and the two sources check out; they are also cited for the hook fact in the article. Article is in good shape, eligible, and I don't see any signs of copyvio. No QPQ required. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 21:24, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Date of death

How definitively does everybody want to state that Roshchyna died on September 19th? Most of the sources so far seem to trace the exact day directly back to the letter from Russia, and the New York Times report ([1] specifically states they were unable to verify the exact day of her death. RSF is the only source I can see specifically stating the 19th as the day she died, but they then go on to clarify that they got that from the Russian letter. ([2]). Given the lack of transparency from Russian officials about her death, and fact that nobody seems able to independently verify that she did die on the 19th of September, I'm not sure if we should use Wikivoice to state that. Right now, most sources seem comfortable stating only that she disappeared on 2023-08-03, and that sometime between May 2024 and yesterday, she died. Hopefully the sources can give us more clarity soon, but until that happens, again, we need to figure out what we're going to say in the lead and infobox. My earlier solution was to say she died in 2024, but that might not be ideal.

@Noel baran. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 22:24, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Her dates of birth are also based on documents provided by the Russians. But you are indeed right about the fact that she could have died earlier, and this date of death was simply fabricated. Thus, this is probably why the date of death is written in such a way that although the Russians are increasingly losing accuracy (so as not to write some stronger word), even in official documents, it is still an official document. So I don't know. Can leave it as it is, but write a note about this date? What do you think? Noel baran (talk) 07:16, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

@Noel baran I've spent the past few days reading about the death of a young journalist, not much older than myself, who died shortly before she was meant to go home to her family. Whatever stronger words you may be thinking, I'm with you.

But back on topic, I think you're right, adding a note is the best solution so far, especially given that I haven't found a source challenging the date. [3] Does this look okay? That way we make it clear to the reader where this date come from, and they can make up their own minds on how accurate it is or isn't. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 23:17, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

@GreenLipstickLesbian Thank you! It is really very sad to see how young people (and not only young people) are lost because of someone's madness and evilness.

I think, that it's okay as you done. I only remade a little a note's format. Also, as far as I know, her body will be returned to her family for burial. In my opinion, this indirectly indicates that the date of her death more or less corresponds to the one declared by the Russians, since it will be possible to identify the approximate time based on the condition of the body. Noel baran (talk) 04:57, 13 October 2024 (UTC)