Talk:Vibration-proof hitch

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Hi: With all due respect, this page has been empty for some time. I just started working on it today, and am going a quickly as I can... -Thanks, Bob —Preceding unsigned comment added by BobMcGr (talk • contribs) 2009-04-26T22:09:18

Is the knot as currently presented really the VPH?

[The vibration-proof hitch is ...] a name introduced via the International Guild of Knot Tyers [sic] publication Knotting Matters circa 1985, which attaches to a different knot than what has been presented here. One can assume that the references cited for this article botched their echoing of this earlier information (all too typical of knots sources, alas --but Randy should know better (I don't have his book before me to verify exactly what he presents)). -- commentary from 72.66.110.130 (moved from article by User:Dfred)

In particular, the knot pictured to the right does not match the knot as presented in Geoffrey Budworth's Ultimate Encyclopedia of Knots & Ropework(1999), p. 94. He cites Amory Bloch Lovins as the originator: "[ABL] invented this knot over 20 years ago". (I personally do not believe "invent" is the right word to use regarding knots, but that's not currently the issue here...). Like the user at 72.66.110.130, I do not currently have access to either the MacDonald or Penn book. I am going do a bit of cleanup in the article, but leave the current photos in until I contact User:BobMcGr who produced these photos to ask about those books. It does seem likely that the comment above is valid and there is an error in whatever source was used to produce these photographs. --Dfred (talk) 15:10, 11 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am removing the current images from the article because of the failure to verify their correctness. I feel the source I referenced above should ~~take precedence~~ be considered reliable because Budworth actually edited Knotting Matters for many years and would (seemingly) be in a ~~better~~ good position to have the correct information on this knot. I have also individually tagged these images with {{Disputed}} tags and removed them as candidates to be transferred to the commons -- at least for now. The removed images are below. --Dfred (talk) 18:30, 11 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have been unable to find the VPH in any of the early Knotting Matters issues, however it does appear in an early (the first?) Geoffrey Budworth book called The Knot Book (1985). Since this book was published the year mentioned by the original editor, perhaps he/she is misremembering where they'd seen the knot? It is presented in a chapter called "New Knots" and Budworth credits it (as above) to Lovins. The knot shown below is quite different than what's illustrated in the 1985 Budworth book... --Dfred (talk) 17:30, 21 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The apparently incorrect images

Begin as if tying a clove hitch
But make a turn around the standing part...
Then tuck under the standing part.
Pull tight.