Talk:Vestibular system

Vestibular system is very important for controlling breathing during sleep.

Reubens et all have shown that the hair cells of the inner ear are chemoreceptors that are sensitive to carbon dioxide. As such I have edited the article to include this information, as the function of the ear is not only for hearing and balance, but also for breathing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.124.246.188 (talk) 18:37, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

This is my first comment to a Wikipedia article so I apologize if I am not following normal rules.

I tried to find the Rubens article in footnote 10 about the Vestibular system being important for breathing control.

The article in the footnote is in a family information website, not a journal. The article says"

"The Seattle study, which was published in the July 2007 edition of Early Human Development."

I looked in the July 2007 issue of Early Human Development and could not find any article by Dr. Rubens, or about the Vestibular system.

I also can't find any other sources which tall about the vestibular system being involved in measurement of CO2 nte the blood stream. DDGAll139 (talk) 16:53, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

Disease or Inability?

When an organism, like a human mammal, lacks an ability, it is simply an inability and cannot be considered a disease. The term 'disease' always suggests the presence of a malfunction that should be removed, fixed, made out of existence, or rehabilitated. It also suggests its existence ought to be made non-existent. If one has not the ability for something since birth or losing its ability early in childhood due to genetic factors, how could it be considered a DISEASE? Why is it, does the condition mandates to be cured? It is simply a variety of mankind! What is wrong with the word 'inability', 'variation'? Why must the word 'disease' be used, which itself shows the author to have a disease of the the mind, called "mindset", "attitude", "prejudice", etc. that are injurious to a segment of society. They fall into "audism" and "ableism" categories of asocial practices. Just think, what is wrong being deaf! Does not deafness enhances humankind? What would it be like, if mankind is completely devoid of deaf people? ~~Hartmut Teuber, 19 August 2021.

Humancentric?

Feel the term 'our' in relation to the human species is not appropriate. The vestibular system is used by many species of animal, not just humans. I think this should read something like 'the vestibular system is used by all mammalisn species for balance... etc etc. As it is now could mislead someody into thinking this system is human only. Also a encyclopedia is suppose is supposed to be neutral in all respects, meaning we shouldn't use terms like 'our' when reffering to something owned by a human. For example a aticle on the heart should read 'The human heart pumps blood... etc etc' and NOT 'Our heart pumps blood etc etc' - hope thats cool. Maybe someone who knows more on this subjec can edit. It would increase the qualiy of this already very good article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.184.30.132 (talk) 14:54, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

I agree, i was about to say the same thing. Do you happen to know which animals possess that sense too, BTW?46.116.93.103 (talk) 16:30, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Now it's just mammal-centric. The vestibular system was already present in the first vertebrates. Hagfish have something so similar that it's essentially a variant. Zyxwv99 (talk) 00:49, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

This doesn't even define or describe what a vestibular system is, except in mammals. I couldn't fnd anything, anywhere in Wikipedia, about what a vestibular system in fish is like, even why it is called "vestibular". Is "vestibular" a descripton of a function, or of an organ? Are there vestibular systems in invertebrates? After nine years, nothing! TomS TDotO (talk) 13:43, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

Testing by temperature-induced reflex

Apparently the reflex can be used to measure the function of the system by putting cold or warm water in the ear and seeing which way the eyes move. Can we get some more information about this? — Omegatron 14:31, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

This is a diagnosis of vestibular system problems. See Nystagmus#Diagnosis and therapy, it has what you are looking for. The Crow 14:45, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

• the test where they measure eye motion is called Electronystagmography. The eye motion is produced by putting warm or cold water in the ears. This is know as Caloric testing.

Otolith picture

What happened to Figure 4C? --67.185.20.109 14:28, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

The whole discussion around Figure 4 suggests that this text may be pulled from another source -- the citation doesn't seem to be adequately indicating this. 70.135.223.87 (talk) 13:12, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

The text says "Figure 4C shows a cross section through an otolithic organ" but there is no figure 4, let alone 4C

HairyDan (talk) 17:52, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

The whole figure 4 seems to be missing. Is it deleted intentionally? If yes, the text should be adapted. suvidu (91.23.193.127 (talk) 23:39, 1 November 2008 (UTC))

The image was apparently removed due to an unknown provenance. I've removed all references to it. -- Dan Griscom (talk) 12:17, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Merge from Equilibrium

As nominator I Support the merge. The other article is a glorified stub and its content should be moved here. --Selket ^Talk 18:08, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

keep the name as vestibular system.

Re: Merge from Equilibrium

"equilibrium" could redirect here
also, I found some things that weren't on "vestibular system" that were on "equilibrium" so merging them should be fine —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.170.240.32 (talk) 04:56, 13 March 2007 (UTC).

I assume you mean merge from Equilibrioception or has there been some page renaming going on? I oppose the merger, there is more to the sense of balance than the vestibular system in the ear. Vision also plays a part in humans, the statocyst (which is already mentioned in equilibrioception) in some animals etc, none of these really have a place in the Vestibular system article. Equilibrioception could also contain topics like the effect of alcohol or other drugs on the sense of balance. JMiall 17:02, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

I oppose the merge as well, the Equilibrioception article is about a sense while the Vestibular system article is about the anatomy of a part of the human body. If you do not understand the different, see: Visual perception and Visual system. Dyingdreams 00:36, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

I oppose the merge too. Balance does not depend solely on the vestibular system. Visual input and proprioception also feature heavily, as well as their integration in the cerebellum. Each should have its own article illustrating their respective anatomy and function, but there should be a single article (e.g. "equilibrium" discussing how they all come together). --Nehwyn 17:56, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

I oppose the merge. I discovered what I needed to know from the equilibrioception article. The sense of balance is a universal sense that almost all creatures have, whether or not they have a vestibular system as in humans. I would like to see the equilibrioception article expanded, not merged into this (more limited and specific) article.70.247.192.110 08:23, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi

I agree.I support the merge.

Merge or not

I think the merge may be indicated for medical specialists, preoccupied with dysfunction and healing, and contra-indicated for neuro-scientists and non-specialists, who look at the sensori-neural systems as a whole. Convergent/divergent: the model is unimportant, so long as one can access the data. The push must be to understanding the hierarchy - since the concept of hierarchy in a branching system seems to me to be crucial. 'Balance' includes all sources of proprioception - auditory, visual, spatial, kinaesthetic - as well as more general physiological feedback in terms of a person's physical entity (muscular tone, age, state of physiological/psychological health, etc.). I don't think anyone can claim that these systems are separate. It strikes me, as a language specialist, that the auditory-vestibular system develops so early in gestation that we should regard it as radical, from which other perceptual and cognitive systems grow. Merge or don't merge - but please do cross-refer! - Signed JuliabmJuliabm 15:25, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Merging - expansion needed not consolidation

Hi I think the pages should be kept separate and enlarged. For example there isn't enough information on motion sickness, which is the reason I accessed this page. Tangoette 12:05, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Why merge them?

These two articles are on related but not similiar topics, and trying to lump them into one is not a satisfactory answer. There is sufficient reason to maintain both articles independently. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 35.11.241.133 (talk) 04:04, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Illusions

I'm removing this from the article:

Of more importance are illusions of the vestibular system. For example, a person in a descending elevator does not feel it is descending once its initial acceleration has ceased.

So what is the illusion? If the acceleration has ceased, what is there to sense? --80.163.17.46 (talk) 16:14, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

I think that what the author is trying to say here is that it seems as if the elevator has stopped. Although this is indeed an illusion, there really is, as you have said, nothing to sense. The vestibular system is only able to detect accelerations (used in the sense which includes deceleration). The situation is something like inertia.Bosredsox24 (talk) 23:39, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

The elevator still moves without acceleration - remember, an acceleration is a change in speed. The elevator is moving at a nearly constant speed. Bosredsox24 (talk) 00:55, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Did somebody say "inept"?

On 06:41, 14 June 2009, Mac Davis removed the image File:UPSTREAM FITNESS.jpg from Vestibular_system#Experience_from_the_vestibular_system saying the following: "… this image has nothing to do with the vestibular system. I thought it was vandalism until I saw how inept the user who added it was." The "Inept" is, apparently, me, user Shustov.

Are there any other opinions? In the meantime, I restore the image. Shustov (talk) 07:35, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Otoconia mass

In section 2, otolithic organ, it says '~ since they are heavier than their surroundings ...'; That perhaps should refer to the density, not the weight. If there is no differential density, there will be no differential movement.Suma rongi (talk) 10:05, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Post-traumatic camel-related benign paroxysmal positional vertigo

I just wanted to point out, for your amusement, that this condition exists. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1477893910001031 It is just one instance of camel-related injuries, according to the authors.

minor vandalism

Someone put the Citation Needed tag after "since the world is three-dimensional." Then a bot came and added a date to it. I removed the change, because, sky is blue thing. 74.134.246.219 (talk) 16:26, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

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The vestibular system is critical to the respiratory system and without it mammals would not be able to survive

I added in how the vestibular system is responsible for the breathing impulse in mammals and studies on mice have shown this. The vestibular system detects CO2 in the air and in the blood and without it, life threatening breathing dysfunctions arise. This article was previously very out dated and I think this warrants editing of the article since this is something I'd consider to be very important. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.29.87.48 (talk) 07:54, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Why no mention of how the vestibular system is essential for respiration?

The vestibular system plays an essential role in normal respiration in mammals. A study conducted by Allen et al in 2011 showed that bilateral loss of vestibular function caused a significant decrease in ventilatory response to hypercapnia, or increased CO2. People with inner ear dysfunction typically exhibit signs of acidosis due to breathing irregularities due to damage to this vital chemosensing organ, which plays a larger role than the medulla in this function. - I edited the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.149.11.14 (talk) 21:53, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Jargon

This article has excessive jargon. It is too difficult for readers to understand unless they have a background in the field. More explanation would help, as would use of common words rather than technical terms. Humphrey Tribble (talk) 18:55, 10 June 2023 (UTC)