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This page was created by Krashlandon for an AFC request by 71.138.243.142 talk on January 11, 2006.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Krashlandon (talk • contribs) 22:18, 11 January 2006

Advertisement like?

I can see that this article seems a bit like an advert, but i do think it's important, since these materials have such wide use in engineering, and are usually referred to by the Vespel name, rather than just polyimides. 81.101.87.161 07:45, 26 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merger proposal

From time to time there appears a Meldin article, - this time a carbon copy of Vespel. What should we do? Xenonice (talk) 05:36, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

All of these materials are commonly referred to as polyimides (PI). If a merge is really needed it should be done in such a way that the trade names are mentioned in the body of the article, it should not be the title anymore. And I believe there is a polyimide page existing already. Another thing to take into account is that both materials are considered top-of-the line, especially since there are many different gradations of PI, depending on their manufacturing history. Some PI materials have completely different mechanical and thermal properties because they were conceived in a different way. In my opinion, if a Vespel page is to exist, so is a Meldin page. And since the history of Meldin is a different one than that of Vespel, there is a rightful reason for the two pages to co-exist. Having a mere redirect to the Vespel page cannot be accepted by the manufacturer of the material since this way the brand name will always be linked to a competitor brand name. When checking on Wikipedia, I don't see a similar requirement on two brands having to merge when looking for Heineken and Stella Artois. This is in essence the same issue. Cheeseman1112 (talk) 13:36, 7 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I would agree with Cheeseman1112, provided we can turn the Meldin page into an independent article in its own right. That means, we cannot automatically use the material from the vespel page just based on the fact that the two plastics are similar (if they were really identical, one page should suffice). Also, I would disagree with combining vespel and polyimide pages. Polyimide is a more general class, and vespel (especially SP-1) is a well-defined and well-characterized material. I therefore propose:

Remove most of the duplicated material from the meldin page, unless there are references specifically tying the properties or structures to Meldin.
Update the table of properties with the Meldin data from the manufacturer's page.^[1]

Xenonice (talk) 01:28, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There should be one page with the correct name of that polymer, so Poly-(4,4'-biphenyl-(pyromellitic acid)-diimide) (?! These names are hard to build), and two pages Vespel and Meldin, describing the two brands, and linking to the first for everything else. --Maxus96 (talk) 20:31, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

My support for moving Vespel to Poly-(4,4'-biphenyl-(pyromellitic acid)-diimide) or an easier proper chemical name (e.g. poly(oxydiphenylene-pyromellitimide)) and leaving Vespel and Meldin as eternal redirects. Otherwise, the war will resume, sooner or later. Materialscientist (talk) 00:34, 11 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

While, I'm not against the proposal to rename this article to Poly-(4,4'-biphenyl-(pyromellitic acid)-diimide), I'm not crazy about it. Usually I would support moving the brand-name stuff to the chemically correct name, but "Poly-(4,4'-biphenyl-(pyromellitic acid)-diimide)" is very unwieldy. Plus, I've always heard it called vespel, because the polymer name is so crazy. So that's why I marked it for deletion. If others (including yourself) feel that moving the vespel article to Poly-(4,4'-biphenyl-(pyromellitic acid)-diimide), will fix the brand name wars, I'm OK with that. Wizard191 (talk) 22:06, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

DuPont is even selling different Polyimides under this brand name, so i think we´ll have to go with a long and proper one. Which do we take? --Maxus96 (talk) 22:08, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

References

Meldin 7001 Data Sheet —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.212.150.32 (talk) 04:52, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

^ Meldin-7000 Materials (PDF), Saint-Gobain Performance Plastics Corporation, retrieved 2008-08-14

Yes this sure looks like an advertisement

I am amazed that this article survives and even more amazed that the Meldin copy survives.

Dupont now uses the Vespel name for other, unrelated materials. Both articles should be "de-commercialized" and put under a generic engineering plastics where references to Vespel, Meldin, and many other materials could be added.

I have had articles booted out for less!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ebenwalker (talk • contribs) 18:49, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Spam

Article appears to be target of spam, removed links to retailer websites. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Grehaergkjl (talk • contribs) 19:20, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Meldin-7000 Materials (PDF), Saint-Gobain Performance Plastics Corporation, retrieved 2008-08-14

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