Talk:Verb-initial word order
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Requested move 26 December 2021
[edit]- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: Not Moved My suggestion to user:ZeegoTheDeer per their own suggestion below is to sort out the naming convention for these articles on talk pages before bringing back to RM (if necessary) Mike Cline (talk) 17:20, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
Verb-initial word order → Verb-initial language – This article is mainly about the languages that have verb-initial order (similar to the articles for OV language and VO language), rather than verb-initial order in isolation. The phrase "verb-initial language" is also used frequently in the article itself. ZeegoTheDeer (talk) 07:31, 26 December 2021 (UTC)— Relisting. Jerm (talk) 21:40, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
- You are right, this article is about V-initial languages. But should it not be about V-initial order including English sentences? Aila Lila (talk) 08:27, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
- You are correct that V1 order occurs in English sentences. However, the opening paragraph distinguishes between broad and narrow senses of V1 order: "In syntax, verb-initial (V1) word order is a word order in which the verb appears before the subject and the object. In the more narrow sense, this term is used specifically to describe the word order of V1 languages (a V1 language being a language where the word order is obligatorily or predominantly verb-initial)." The bulk of the article is specifically about the narrow sense of this term, i.e. V1 languages. Thus, the title should reflect that. --ZeegoTheDeer (talk) 17:03, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
- Fine by me. Aila Lila (talk) 08:27, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
- You are correct that V1 order occurs in English sentences. However, the opening paragraph distinguishes between broad and narrow senses of V1 order: "In syntax, verb-initial (V1) word order is a word order in which the verb appears before the subject and the object. In the more narrow sense, this term is used specifically to describe the word order of V1 languages (a V1 language being a language where the word order is obligatorily or predominantly verb-initial)." The bulk of the article is specifically about the narrow sense of this term, i.e. V1 languages. Thus, the title should reflect that. --ZeegoTheDeer (talk) 17:03, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
- On second thought, the similar article V2 word order also has "word order" in the title, so maybe it makes sense to keep "verb-initial word order" after all. Regardless of which phrasing we go with, right now there's a discrepancy between the V1/V2 pair of articles on the one hand and the OV/VO pair on the other, and I think both pairs of articles should have a consistent naming scheme (whether it's "language" or "word order"). What do others think? --ZeegoTheDeer (talk) 04:49, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
- You are right, this article is about V-initial languages. But should it not be about V-initial order including English sentences? Aila Lila (talk) 08:27, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
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