Talk:Vasily Stalin

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His legal name may well have been Vasily Dzhugashvili, but he always called himself Stalin. I am inclined to think this article should be moved. Adam 08:15, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

I could never find the information on him. εγκυκλοπαίδεια* (talk) 16:20, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

His legal name was Vasilii Iosifovich Stalin which he refused to change even though "the party" requested him to do so and was such in a recent court case posthumously reversing some of his 1962 convictions

Stalin in general treated his son severely. When Vasily in the letter asked the father to send him money to buy products in buffet and to sew the new form, Stalin wrote a brief resolution on the letter:

• «1. As far as I know, the ration in the parts of Air Forces is quite sufficient. 2. The special form for the son of comrade Stalin in Red Army is not stipulated».

And when Vasily already being the commander of aviation regiment, started to behave unworthy, Stalin issued the order:

• Order of the Commissar of Defense of the USSR

• 26th of May, 1943

• To the commander of the Air Forces of Red Army Marshal of Aircraft comrade NOVIKOV

• I ORDER:

• 1) Take off Immediately from a post of the Commander of aviation regiment Colonel STALIN V.I. and not to give him any command posts till my special order.

• 2) To announce to the former Commander of the regiment Colonel Stalin that Colonel Stalin is being removed from a post of the Commander of the regiment because of drunkenness and revelry, that he spoils and corrupts regiment.

• Inform about execution.

• People’s Commissar of Defense

• I.Stalin

Stalin once lost his temper with his son Vasily, the crown prince, spoiled, pathetic son who said, who was throwing his weight around. And in fact, in the book, one of the fascinating things we have all his letters. We have all Vasily Stalin`s letters, to his guards, and he was always writing them ordering them to do things. And one of the things he said was he said, I`m Stalin, he said. I`m Vasily Stalin. Stalin said, "No, you`re not." He said, You`re not Stalin. I`m not Stalin. He said, Stalin is Soviet power. Stalin is what`s in the newspapers. Stalin is the image of the Soviet Union. Not even I am Stalin.

• The Russian Supreme Court's Military Collegium acquitted Vasilii Stalin,

the late son of former Soviet leader Joseph Stalin, on 30 September on charges of anti-Soviet propaganda and agitation, ITAR-TASS reported. The court also reduced charges of embezzlement and abuse of power. The court's decision was in response to an appeal filed last year by Vasilii Stalin's friends in the army and his relatives, "The Moscow Times" reported on 1 October. The case against Vasilii Stalin was launched just a month after his father's death. According to the prosecutor in the recent case, Stalin's son spent a considerable amount of state money creating hunting resorts, modernizing his state-owned dacha, and hosting extensive private parties. Stalin, who became a general at the age of 26, spent eight years in prison after his conviction. In 1962, he died at the age of 41 from alcoholism. JAC

• TIME Magazine Cover: Lt. Gen. Vasily Stalin - Aug. 20, 1951

• The official histories tell little: Pilot V. Stalin commanded a fighter division (50 planes) ...

• 1962 Vasily Iosifovich Stalin. (March 21, 1921 - 1962) colonel-general in Air Forces and I.V. Stalin’s son

• Vasily Iosifovich Stalin, general-colonel of aviation, son of the Stalin. Killed by КГБ

• The USSR championship of 1948 was a replica of the previous competition. The army team had little changes though those changes were typical enough. Aviation General V.I. Stalin tempted over to his VVS team À. Prokhorov, A. Vinogradov and P. Sherbatenko. Those and other acquisitions made it possible for the flyers to take a more decent 9th position. Later V.I. Stalin also tried to persuade A. Grinin, G. Fedotov and V. Bobrov. Vasily Stalin was in sympathy with Bobrov as a person and highly appreciated him as a sportsman. Though the General got one of the CDKA's leaders only after two years. Vasily Iosifovich failed to have desired result through negotiations with other army players.

etc 68.60.68.203 05:32, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Early life

This part has to be expanded. "The death of Vasily's mother represented a major change in Vasily's life." Change from what? At what age -- we don't even mention the year? And so on. /Julle (talk) 14:43, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Requested move 14 November 2014

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The result of the move request was: move the page, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 22:21, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

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Vasily Dzhugashvili → Vasily Stalin – Like the guy above said, his birth name may have been Vasily Dzhugashvili, but he always called himself Stalin. 76.105.96.92 (talk) 00:35, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

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• Support per WP:COMMONNAME. The source given in the article uses "Stalin". Stickee (talk) 01:55, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

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Who prosecuted V. Stalin?

The article states, "The judicial investigation was conducted by one of the most brutal prosecutors in the Soviet Union,[according to whom?] Lev Vladimirsky." The link to Vladimirsky takes one to his Wikipedia page; he was a Soviet admiral. There's no indication he ever acted as a prosecutor.

The source for Lev Vladimirsky being the prosecutor appears to be this: http://www.theinfolist.com/php/SummaryGet.php?FindGo=Vasily_Dzhugashvili. Its description of Vladimirsky being "one of the most brutal" prosecutors in the USSR exactly matches that in the article.

In this article -- https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0989973/bio -- the prosecutor is referred to as "Lev Vladimirskii," which may or may not be the same as "Lev Vladimirsky."

However, I was unable to find any information regarding a USSR prosecutor under either spelling. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:602:9701:879F:E145:672A:7A76:1D6B (talk) 14:57, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

There is confusion between Lev Yemelianovich Vlodzimirsky (1905 - 1953) the Stalinist henchman, and Lev Anatolevich Vladimirsky (1903 - 1973) a Soviet naval officer. Please note the different patronymics, and spelling of the last name. Their Wiki entries in Russian are at https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Влодзимирский,_Лев_Емельянович and https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Владимирский,_Лев_Анатольевич respectively.

Petercascio (talk) 23:28, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

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Family

The article says that Vasily Stalin married for the first time in 1940, then eventually says that he was "reburied next to his fourth wife". So who were these other three wives and how long did his marriages last? Jah77 (talk) 10:54, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

Referring to him as Stalin

I am well read on this subject, but referring to Vasily as Stalin throughout the article seems silly. Clearly he lived in his father's shadow and may have had fantasies to be referred to as Stalin, but as an impartial/accurate historical document it does not seem right to do this. He was Vasily. Mention his preference for this title, but don't ruin this interesting page by calling him Stalin throughout. Seth (talk) 20:59, 29 August 2024 (UTC)