Talk:Vanderbilt Commodores football

This article is written in American English, which has its own spelling conventions (color, defense, traveled) and some terms that are used in it may be different or absent from other varieties of English. According to the relevant style guide, this should not be changed without broad consensus.

College football High‑importance

	College football portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject College football, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of college football on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.College footballWikipedia:WikiProject College footballTemplate:WikiProject College footballcollege football articles
High	This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale.

Tennessee Low‑importance

	Tennessee portal Vanderbilt Commodores football is within the scope of WikiProject Tennessee, an open collaborative effort to coordinate work for and sustain comprehensive coverage of Tennessee and related subjects in the Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, you can edit the article attached to this page, and even become a member. [Project Articles] • [Project Page] • [Project Talk] • [Assessment] • [Template Usage]TennesseeWikipedia:WikiProject TennesseeTemplate:WikiProject TennesseeTennessee articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Vandy Top‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Vandy, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Vanderbilt University on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.VandyWikipedia:WikiProject VandyTemplate:WikiProject VandyVandy articles
Top	This article has been rated as Top-importance on the importance scale.

Billingsley National Championships

I was about to write:

The Billingsley Report retroactively named Vanderbilt national champions for 1906 and 1911, with an 8-1 record each year.

But Billingsley's site lists different winners than other sites including ncaa.org. What gives? - PhilipR 22:08, 28 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Billingsley Report used a different formula over the years, most notably eliminating "Margin of Victory" from the calculation in the early years of the BCS. The Billingsley champions were then updated in the NCAA book to match the new formula. The 1906 and 1911 Vanderbilt selections were present in the 1996–2003 NCAA records books, but removed in future editions. Please see the article Billingsley Report for a table tracking the changes over the years. PK-WIKI (talk) 17:07, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Table on recent wins over SEC opponents

I deleted the table of recent wins over SEC opponents in favor of an expanded section on the overall wins and losses of the Vanderbilt program. This probably presents a more NPOV for the article (i.e., less "look how pitiful Vanderbilt is"). I admit I'm a Vandy alum/booster, but nonetheless, I think a neutral person would agree that no other SEC school has such a table (and the overall record indicates Vanderbilt's general weakness from the 1950-2000 period). Diezba 10:48, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, you're probably right about the POV. Certainly no other SEC program has such a table and it's not expected. I put it in because I find that info interesting (as a VU fan) but it could probably be presented in a more theoretically objective way, like a color-coded table for each series or something. That way when we go 10-2 the next dozen seasons, we don't have to worry about it losing meaning. Cheers, PhilipR a/k/a PhilipVU94 08:29, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Year By Year Records

I added the year by year records table with the data coming from the VU media guide. I'm not sure if it belongs where it is now, in its own section, or somewhere else. Someone with more "wiki knowledge" can probably find its correct home. Wpride33 16:58, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Jess Neely

According to the Jess Neely article, he played at Vandy 1920-22 and coached 1924-1966 at Rhodes, Clemson, and Rice. The Hall of Fame table should corrected as it lists him as Vandy coach 1924-1966 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.154.2.124 (talk) 14:20, 24 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Image deletion discussion

Relevant deletion discussion at Wikipedia:Files_for_deletion/2011_December_31#File:Vanderbilt Football.png.--GrapedApe (talk) 17:37, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

File:Vanderbilt Football Uniform.png Nominated for Deletion

An image used in this article, File:Vanderbilt Football Uniform.png, has been nominated for deletion at Wikimedia Commons in the following category: Deletion requests February 2012

What should I do?

Don't panic; a discussion will now take place over on Commons about whether to remove the file. This gives you an opportunity to contest the deletion, although please review Commons guidelines before doing so.

If the image is non-free then you may need to upload it to Wikipedia (Commons does not allow fair use)
If the image isn't freely licensed and there is no fair use rationale then it cannot be uploaded or used.

To take part in any discussion, or to review a more detailed deletion rationale please visit the relevant image page (File:Vanderbilt Football Uniform.png)

This is Bot placed notification, another user has nominated/tagged the image --CommonsNotificationBot (talk) 13:04, 27 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

File:Vandy Gold and Black.png Nominated for Deletion

An image used in this article, File:Vandy Gold and Black.png, has been nominated for deletion at Wikimedia Commons in the following category: Deletion requests February 2012

What should I do?

Don't panic; a discussion will now take place over on Commons about whether to remove the file. This gives you an opportunity to contest the deletion, although please review Commons guidelines before doing so.

If the image is non-free then you may need to upload it to Wikipedia (Commons does not allow fair use)
If the image isn't freely licensed and there is no fair use rationale then it cannot be uploaded or used.

To take part in any discussion, or to review a more detailed deletion rationale please visit the relevant image page (File:Vandy Gold and Black.png)

This is Bot placed notification, another user has nominated/tagged the image --CommonsNotificationBot (talk) 19:25, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

needs protection

There have been obvious hijackings of this page by University of Tennessee supporters. I am attempting to clean them up. Please consider protection. DavidSteinle (talk) 00:39, 3 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Split history into a separate article

I think a History of Vanderbilt Commodores football article is merited. Right now this article is at ~150,000 bites, and over half of that is the history section. Lizard (talk) 06:26, 9 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe. There's a lot of material. Virginia and Vandy are the Babylon and Egypt of Southern football. As they have long been dormant, it would seem odd to give them more treatment than e. g. the Gators. Cake (talk) 22:29, 9 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment comment

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Vanderbilt Commodores football/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

Self evident ~~Start~~Stub/Mid, yes? Going by Wikipedia:WikiProject College football/Assessment. - PhilipR 21:40, 28 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Last edited at 22:09, 28 November 2006 (UTC). Substituted at 09:48, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Tennessee state champions

Sewanee media guides note they were the 1892 state champions. Tennessee notes they never had even a state championship before 1914. It seems safe to assume Vandy was the 1890, 1891, 1893, and 1894 state champion before challenging for a southern title in 1895, but I would like a source. (if such a term is new to you see e. g. 1904 Florida State College football team or 1891 Nebraska Old Gold Knights football team). Nashville would seem the only other option. Cake (talk) 18:21, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified external links on Vanderbilt Commodores football. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20140720170434/http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/sec/georgia/opponents_records.php?teamid=3363 to http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/sec/georgia/opponents_records.php?teamid=3363

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 12:05, 20 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Uniform image

I found this image while poking through the orphaned free images backlog, and wondered if it's still current/relevant for this article? ♠PMC♠ (talk) 19:40, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

When did Dudley Field become commonly known as Vanderbilt Stadium?

Per WP:COMMONNAME, we should use the name that was most commonly used during the season at issue. After 1981, the field was officially known as "Dudley Field" and the overall stadium as "Vanderbilt Stadium". However, it took several years for the stadium name to become the more common name for the home football venue. A search of Newspapers.com shows that "Dudley Field" remained the common name for Vandy's home venue until 1987. I've collected the newspaper "hits" data below (limited to Tennessee newspapers to avoid contamination of the survey with references to Dudley Field (El Paso)):

1982: 426 "Dudley Field" vs 116 "Vanderbilt Stadium" (4-to-1 in favor of Dudley)
1983: 288 "Dudley Field" vs 106 "Vanderbilt Stadium" (> 2-to-1 in favor of Dudley)
1984: 355 "Dudley Field" vs 141 "Vanderbilt Stadium" (> 2-to-1 in favor of Dudley)
1985: 241 "Dudley Field" vs 110 "Vanderbilt Stadium" (> 2-to-1 in favor of Dudley)
1986: 272 "Dudley Field" vs 105 "Vanderbilt Stadium" (> 2-to-1 in favor of Dudley)
1987: 200 "Dudley Field" vs 126 "Vanderbilt Stadium" (< 2-to-1 in favor of Dudley)

1988: 275 "Dudley Field" vs 342 "Vanderbilt Stadium" (first year in which Dudley was not the more common name)
1989: 222 "Dudley Field" vs 263 "Vanderbilt Stadium" (second consecutive year in which Dudley was not the more common name)
1990: 228 "Dudley Field" vs 492 "Vanderbilt Stadium" (> 2-to-1 in favor of Vanderbilt Stadium)
1991: 185 "Dudley Field" vs 360 "Vanderbilt Stadium" (2-to-1 in favor of Vanderbilt Stadium)

This suggests that the "Vanderbilt Stadium" didn't become the common name until 1988. Accordingly, in season articles prior to 1988, I think we should be citing Vanderbilt's home football venue as "Dudley Field". I am pinging Vanderbilt editors for their input. @MisterCake: @Patriarca12: I am also pinging @Jweiss11: as he weighed in at a particular article. Cbl62 (talk) 07:14, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

While may have taken that long to catch on, was winter 1980 when I think ripped down all but one section of the old Dudley Field stands, hence needing another name. There's the further curiosity of Old Dudley Field meaning Curry Field, pre 1922. See here. Cake (talk) 20:55, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

PS Cbl when you get a chance I'd really appreciate a look over of the Georgia Tech-Vandy rivalry page. It seems to me every game from 1892 to 1928 is notable, for instance. Cake (talk) 15:44, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]