Talk:Usman Ja'far

A fact from Usman Ja'far appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 13 January 2023 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that businessman Usman Ja'far was the first locally born governor of West Kalimantan elected in nearly 40 years?

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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cielquiparle (talk) 15:50, 6 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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... that before entering politics, Usman Ja'far was known as a pioneer in the Indonesian retail industry? Source: "Usman Ja'far pun dijuluki sebagai tetua bisnis eceran di Indonesia."

ALT1: ... that before entering politics, Usman Ja'far ran one of Indonesia's largest retail store chains?

- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Claudia Meier Volk
- Comment: "tetua bisnis eceran" technically means "elder/senior in the retail business", but in this context 'pioneer' is basically the same.

Created by Juxlos (talk). Self-nominated at 10:48, 8 December 2022 (UTC).[reply]

Reviewing... Lefcentreright Discuss 21:54, 11 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ:
Overall: The nomination and article both look good to me. The hook is interesting and I assumed good faith with the translation. I made some changes like splitting up sections, fixing typos, etc. I assumed good faith with the Indonesian sources since I am only fluent in English and Afrikaans. Earwig checks out and no QPQ is required. One of the issues I have, is that very little is mentioned about Ja'far's time as Governor and tenure as a member of the People's Representative Council in the article. Maybe include notable events that happened during his tenure as Governor and as a member of the DPR? I also have an issue with the brief mention of a graft investigation. Why was he investigated for graft? Can you perhaps elaborate more on the investigation and make a section dedicated to that? Otherwise, the article looks great. Lefcentreright Discuss 00:08, 12 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Lefcentreright: The investigation seemed to be relatively brief and happened before his death, and I'm icky about adding a non-verdict investigation under BLP (granted, it closed because he died, not because he was found not guilty). I cannot seem to find much notable items under his governorship (maybe there are some, but those sources are not in my reach), much less so as a councilor. I will add more in the future if I come across new sources, but for the time being I doubt I can expand those sections materially. Juxlos (talk) 07:05, 12 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, @Juxlos:. I agree with your sentiments regarding the article. I may have scrutinized the article a little bit too much. I mainly write about South African politicians and sometimes I literally have to dig like an archeologist to find sources. What is actually the most important is the hook and the hook is mentioned and cited within the article. Lefcentreright Discuss 14:45, 12 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Naming conventions

Hey, @Juxlos, do we need to add a note about Indonesian naming conventions? Valereee (talk) 13:00, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There are no Indonesian naming conventions. Feel free to add a note if you want. Juxlos (talk) 13:29, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Juxlos, but we're referring to him as Usman rather than as Ja'far? Normally we'd refer to John Doe as Doe unless there's a naming convention that instructs us to refer to them otherwise. Why are we calling him Usman? Valereee (talk) 22:45, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've edited to include full name each time. Not sure that's the best solution, but unless there's a naming convention that requires us to use only the given name, we need to somehow explain why we're using the given name. Valereee (talk) 22:50, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]