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A fact from Unthanksgiving Day appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 26 November 2009 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Unthanksgiving day is held annually on Alcatraz Island as a counterpoint to the traditional Thanksgiving story and to give thanks for Native American survival in the face of genocide?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2009/November.

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Not a hoax

This page is not a hoax. Unthanksgiving is a real holiday celebrated on the Island of Alcatraz to commemorate the occupation the Island in 1960 and as a civil rights movement for indigenous peoples of the Americas. It is called "Un"thanksgiving day because the U.S. holiday Thanksgiving is celebrated to give thanks for the harvest and to the Native Americans that saved the Pilgrims from near starvation. The colonialists from Europe have not completely acknowledged the genocide of the native peoples and their are many shortcomings regarding Native American's rights. Please do not eliminate this article. Also this should not be combined with the article "Occupation of Alcatraz" because it is about the holiday commemorating that event and involves cultural activities, etc. It is important for the people's movement!

Gotcha; I immediately removed the template after seeing the PBS article. As you can see, I have toned down some of the language. I would have you note that its importance for any movement is not a criterion for keeping the article; the best you can do is to add reliable sources (see WP:RS) that establish notability for this topic (see WP:N). The third reference, a blog of sorts, isn't terribly convincing, and the second is by a professor and not in a publication. The article will not, I predict, be speedily deleted, though your best bet against deletion is to find additional sources. Good luck. Oh, don't forget to sign your name, using four tildes. Drmies (talk) 14:44, 16 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the tips. I'll try to take the time to improve the article. I see you added some simple, yet important details and added a few references. This is the first article I've started in Wiki so I wasn't sure how the editing works. Also, I originally was going to just place a request to have the article written, but I couldn't seem to get anywhere on the request page. --Tulkoju (talk) 15:18, 17 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Confused

"what they call genocide" ... is there any doubt? Victuallers (talk) 11:07, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not for you, and possibly not for me--but that term is highly controversial, and that they consider it genocide is verifiable. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 19:55, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV?

Does this article currently conform to NPOV? It's an interesting topic but the term "genocide" seems highly controversial and POV. The Native American people may refer to it as a genocide but is it recognized as such by non-partisan groups or by the Federal Government? Secondly, there were people here before the people who crossed the Bering Strait and they were treated much the same way by the folks who later became known as the Native Americans. Shouldn't we avoid declaring something as a genocide and instead present it as a "verified opinion" of those who participate in Unthanksgiving Day? Anything else seems like synthesis to me. <>Multi‑Xfer<> (talk) 20:31, 26 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]