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Text and/or other creative content from sex segregation in public restrooms was copied or moved into unisex public toilet on 11 May 2018. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists.

Gender or sex?

This article appears to completely conflate sex and gender. 'Unisex' would seem to be sex-related, whereas 'gender-neutral' would appear to be gender-related. Are toilets currently segregated by sex or by gender? Why are they labelled 'men' and 'women' in some places (given that they're also -- presumably -- used by boys and girls ... and nonbinary people)? Rather than labelling the desegregated toilets as 'unisex' or 'gender-neutral', why label them in terms of sex / gender *at all*!? 'Toilet' or 'water closet' or 'w.c.' or 'loo' would seem to suffice, without any additional qualification. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.232.209.186 (talk) 03:08, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

> Are toilets currently segregated by sex or by gender

That's a point of contention. De-jure probably depends on the place. De-facto also depends on the place and does not match with de-jure: I am a transgender woman. I could likely safely walk into either a M/W toilet in some places and neither in other places.

> Why are they labelled 'men' and 'women' in some places (given that they're also -- presumably -- used by boys and girls ... and nonbinary people)?

They've historically been labelled in this uninclusive way, and it's still "the norm" in labeling them. Indeed some people including governments make arguments against gender neutral toilets (and therefore for segregating toilets by [sex or gender]). It is assumed that boys will grow up to be men and girls will grow up to be women and so boys and girls are designated to go into the bathrooms labelled as such (with some exceptions for parental supervision with very young children). As is all too common, nonbinary people are usually not considered.

> Rather than labelling the desegregated toilets as 'unisex' or 'gender-neutral', why label them in terms of sex / gender *at all*!? 'Toilet' or 'water closet' or 'w.c.' or 'loo' would seem to suffice, without any additional qualification

As toilets are commonly labelled uninclusively, this additional qualifier does serve a purpose: "toilet" could refer to segregated ones whereas "gender neutral" toilet clarifies this

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A lot of this boils down to "sadly, we do not live in an ideal world; there are historical conventions and other real-world messy edges that leave theoretically perfect solutions infeasible" Minion3665 (talk) 01:42, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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It's getting a bit biased again

"WHy gender neutral bathrooms", followed by a list of reasons why unisex bathrooms are superior to gendered bathrooms, is not an appropriate entry for a wikipedia article. I'm entirely in favor of unisex bathrooms, but this article is uncomfortably straightforward in its bias

Yeah, it reads more like an advocacy article in that section. I added an NPOV tag.

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